I have said many, many times, this is not a LISK blog. I started this blog to write about other things. Even my LISK Blog was not done to focus on the case or try to solve it in any way. It was about those who I found online who connected themselves to the case and seemed to make some sort of game out of the whole thing. I’ve blogged about this many times, trying to explain how it felt to be sucked into what I called a rabbit hole. Even though I tried to keep that blog focused on the rabbit hole and not the actual case, I learned early on that wasn’t possible. In fact if my blogs bring any light to the LISK case, it’s how connected the rabbit hole has become to the actual case. I have called the LISK case an onion with many strange layers. I couldn’t write about my experience going down that rabbit hole without also discussing some of those layers. And as I have said many times, the fact that the rabbit hole is so much a part of the onion now, it’s become almost impossible to separate the 2 and get to helpful information. I’ve tried.
To give an example let’s go back to last year when John Ray shocked everyone with a news conference where his then new client spoke of “sex parties” with the Ex Police chief James Burke. I haven’t blogged much about John Ray, but I think everyone who reads here knows how I feel about him. I have heard from those who don’t like him and say he has destroyed this case looking for the payoff at the end and those who do like him and say he is doing this because he really cares and wants to get answers for the victim’s families. I don’t know which is true… but I have come to my own opinion that John Ray is one of the main people over the years to help bridge that connection between onion and rabbit hole. All I have to do is take a look at the list of people who have been in contact with John Ray over the years, many of them “helping” Mr. Ray with his pursuit for truth or payoff:
Flukeyou and family
Dorthy Price Hill
Should I go on… I think you all get this already.
So back when this news conference hit, I like many others were skeptical. And it turns out we were all correct in our skepticism. Because while many were deciding what to believe of the stories of Burke and this girl John Ray had set into the spot light, everyone learned there was much more to the story, and that in fact the conference was a little misleading. OK, a lot misleading. Yes, this new layer Ray was trying to show in the onion quickly became part of the never-ending free fall down that rabbit hole. The first sign of this was in the conference itself, which seemed to be done mainly to connect James Burke to Dr. Hackett and the LISK case. But then there was mention from “Leanne” (name used for woman in conference with John Ray) of another person that she had actually called in a tip on being LISK. When asked more about this John Ray concluded it wasn’t important or the reason for the conference. What? When you sort the whole conference out, it seems, “Leanne” had called in a tip on someone she thought could be the LISK and then the person she called in the tip on was contacted by LE and told about the tip she made about him. Fucked up right? Well, that’s not exactly what happened, but at the time I didn’t know that, so let’s wait before dissecting it too much. Point is this tip is how John Ray learned of “Leanne” and her claims, it’s what would eventually bring her to becoming his client and you would think the reason for the conference. But John Ray said at the time, it wasn’t important. Why? Well, my opinion at the time (which hasn’t changed even though I now know much more about all of it then I did then) was that John Ray was more concerned with how Burke connected to the story, even though Burke is not the one “Leanne” believed was LISK because Burke was big news at the time. And Burke being linked to LISK was not anything new. We all know it was something being said for a while, so it fit the storyline John Ray was more interested in. Plus, if Burke could be connected to Hackett through “Leanne’s” stories that would definitely benefit John Ray and his ongoing case with Doctor Hackett.
I wanted to write about this last year. But even though I pieced it together very quickly, I didn’t feel right making it part of this blog. You’ve all heard me say this before, but let me explain fuller.
Right after the conference, someone came to me asking if I knew what the initials L.H. had to do with the LISK case. At the time I couldn’t think of any and asked why. I was told that someone had contacted them telling them MCME was someone in the LISK case with the initials L.H.
I looked at anyone I could think of with the initials L.H. but could ony come up with 1. someone connected to DPH, but it wasn’t really LISK related, so I didn’t think it was right.
While I was trying to figure it out, quite a bit happened. Websleuths and LISK Facebook groups were buzzing with comments and discussions that many believed included John Ray’s newest client, “Leanne”. There was discussion that “Leanne” was telling her “real” story to some. And there were definitely places where I saw that someone was definitely dropping clues of who the person was “Leanne” gave the original tip on. A Babylon attorney was the one of these such clues and the only one to shine the light on to everything that was going on.
The person who had asked me about the initials L.H. had been talking to “Leanne” at this point they already knew it and confirmed it to me. But I knew it was. and I knew who L.H. was. I knew, because for a while at that time I had been following comments being left by someone calling themselves Plottmaster (as well as other versions of this screen name):
There are lots more out there, but it all circles around the same names, and one of those names… Lindsay Henry… L.H.
Again, while I was piecing this together it was also coming out in social media. We all know this is where Jerry rose his ugly head. He started a Facebook group that a few of you joined and well we all know what happened. “Leanne” confirms some things to Jerry and he runs with it. Who was one of the first people Jerry contacts… me. And I never even spoke to the guy at this point. But he was told to trust me, which is good advice if you aren’t an internet nut spreading the disease, and we all know Jerry was just that. Part troll, part stalker, all asshole.
I quickly called him out (Do I get that credit? While most of you were opening up to the little creep I was putting him in his place) and shot him down. Which we all know led to some crazy shit and some seriously fun reading. Let’s just put it out there, Jerry then ran to a FB page ran by Kim West (‘member her) where along with Kim’s friend Dorothy Price Hill and a few others who no longer like me mentioning them here got together and came at me. Why? Because I was the one to see through Jerry and know his ongoing actions were not only bad for the LISK case, but may be dangerous for some of the women he was approaching.
This eventually got me a private message from “Leanne” herself. She was curious about who I was, and I believe some people told her that I was getting ready to write a post about all of it and that I might not be to kind to her. I told her truthfully that I was probably not gonna post about it. Even though I knew at the time it would get me shit tons of views and comments. I explained to her that I felt that she shouldn’t be sharing her story with the internet. I also explained if I was gonna post about it, it would have been done already, because I had the story for a while at that point. Jerry had written me quite a bit before I told him to piss off. But before “Leanne” told me her story, before Jerry told me what he knew, I had already heard all about it. It get’s tricky here, but I have told all of you in private and in public, EVERYONE talks to EVERYONE! “Leanne” thought she was being carefull with who she spoke to. And yet each of them came to me and told me what she was saying, I mean Jerry didn’t even know me, but he was sent to me and he spilled it all unknowingly I already knew more than he. And by the time “Leanne” came to me I already had it all.
But it was great to hear it all straight from her. And unlike Jerry, I wasn’t trying to force anything or get anyone to give me any of this info. In fact I told “Leanne” many times I didn’t want to know about specifics when it came to L.H and the parties. I felt it was info for L.E. and F.B.I.
I don’t need to rehash most of this, if you have been reading, you know how it went down. But I just want to make one point, it was “Leanne” who finally got rid of Jerry. And we can all be thankful for that. Yes, it was “Leanne” who gave Jerry a lot of the things he knew, but let’s face it, a few of you gals out there bought into the Jerry game and gave him things to use, and I’m not just talking about LISK stuff, that guy knew personal stuff about a few of you. Shit he got a ton of shit on me, thanks by the way. “Leanne” got the jerk yanked off social media. So yes, we can all be thankful for that. The guy was bad news.
This is side tracking as most of my posts do. I spent enough time on the likes of Jerry so let’s move on. “Leanne” and I spoke quite a bit, and again, if I was to just make a post about our conversations, I know it would be a quite a big way to end this blog and get all sorts of views… but as I told “Leanne” back when we first started talking, even though this blog seems like a narcissistic voyage at everyone’s expense, that’s not really what it was about. And I have kept quiet about most of this. Yes, there is bits ‘n pieces scattered but I did not put it “ALL” out there, despite the fact that it would have helped the ZW Blog get even more readers. I felt all along that info on L.H. from “Leanne” should be kept off social media and the internet. But as we all know, this was a year ago, and it was not kept off social media and the internet. And before we go on I have to examine this a little further.
It would be easy to say “Leanne” is responsible for it all getting out there and in return mucked up with the rest of the stories and theories. Others might blame John Ray, with good reason, thinking maybe it is him getting so many to keep the internet side-show going. I can’t pass judgement on this. Yes, I spoke out loud and clear that I thought it should all be left off the internet, but let’s face it, there is good reason not to trust the usual course of action. So it’s not up to me to decide how “Leanne” or John Ray go about getting their info out there. Still to me, it just seems all sides are not handling it right. But that’s “to me” and since I’m not really involved, what does that matter?
Still, I’m trying to show something here… I know it’s taking way to long, but stay with me, we will get there. First though I have to clear a few things up. As I said, I have spoken to “Leanne” quite a bit, and therefore I know about some of the things that have been thrown out there and discussed on social media by many of you. I’ve kept quiet, but let’s face it, a year has gone by and most of it all has been out there already. In fact I read on Websleuths Susie Mockingbird commenting about L.H. admitting to killing people. This did kind of upset me when I read it… I have kept quiet about so much of this, and again my reasons for not blogging about all this was I felt it needed to be properly investigated before being made part of the internet, and yet here is big mouth Susie Sampeirre putting her 2 cents in about the L.H. admission to murder.
So let’s get it out there, because I too know the story… shoot, by now who doesn’t? L.H. supposedly admitted to “Leanne” to killing 2 men. This is the main reason “Leanne” decided that L.H. might be LISK and why she called in her tip. One of these guys supposedly was killed from L.H. hitting him and killing the guy. The problem is I’ve heard audio of “Leanne” and L.H. discussing this and he denies ever saying such things to her. In fact even if he admitted saying them, he could just say he was lying at the time. maybe he was just trying to impress her. Not to mention, killing to men over jealousy or self-defense (which the stories suggest) does not lead to a serial killer or LISK. Still, if the stories are true, they could be checked out, right? And I know he’s been being looked into for a year now… so did anything come from the stories of murdering 2 men? The story of how he killed the other man was he threw him off a roof in Greece, if I remember right… and there are other things that could lead the proper authorities to figuring out if L.H. killed 2 men as it is said that he has said. It doesn’t have to be a mystery or a case of he said she said… someone could look into it. So I’m guessing someone has. So maybe someone should clue the rest of us in on what is real there… let’s not hold our breaths though.
Have I lost everyone completely? Do you not know if I believe “Leanne” and think L.H. could be LISK or if I think it’s another LISK game being played out by lunatics? Good. Because it shouldn’t matter what I think. If I believe “Leanne” does that make her right? If I think she is crazy does that make her wrong? Get me?
One last thing though and I have to make this public and crystal clear. In the original news conference it was made to sound like “Leanne” called in a tip in L.H. and then someone in L.E. let L.H. know she had called in a tip on him accusing him of being LISK. As I said before, that would be so fucked up, and more proof that L.I. L.E. (Long Island Law Enforcement) is corrupt as all hell. But that’s not exactly what happened. “Leanne” did call a detective involved in the LISK case and told him she believed L.H. was LISK.
Then you know what “Leanne” did? She called L.H. and told him that she just got off the phone with a detective (gave L.H. the detective’s name and phone number) and that she told the detective she thought he was LISK. Weird, right? Well then L.H. calls the detective and the detective confirms it all to L.H. Man, if I was this detective I would think that both of them were fucking with me. So then L.H. and “Leanne” talk again and L.H. tells her he talked to the detective, which I would expect “Leanne” would have expected to happen, since she gave L.H. the detective’s number. But I guess she wasn’t expecting the detective to confirm it to him. “Leanne” then calls up the detective and wants to know why he would tell L.H. she called him. The detective is dumbfounded and tells her, “you gave him my number, you told him you said he was LISK”. I’ve actually heard this conversation, the whole thing baffles me. Again, from someone on the outside it seems like all 3 are playing some kind of game. “Leanne”, the detective, L.H., none of their actions add up to me. They all seem to keep the circle going instead of getting to the truth or something that can help, it’s more about pointing fingers at each other. The same thing I’ve seen again and again. But this is all what I got out of it, and again shouldn’t mean anything. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.
I will say this… L.H. is bad news. There are lots more about this guy besides the maybe confessions of killing 2 men. And L.H. was sleeping with “Leanne” while in exchange acting as her lawyer. Not very respectable for an attorney. So maybe there is truth to stories of L.H. and Burke involved in sex parties with “working girls”. Sounds very likely to me. And then maybe Doc Hackett does actually have a place in all this, because “Leanne” says Hackett supplied L.H. with Fentanyl patches. Yes, there does seem to be substantial stuff there. Which is why I felt it should be left off the internet and dealt with by the FBI.
But it wasn’t and it became part of the rabbit hole. Not only that but it brought new players to the board. “Leanne” had a friend who you all know as Jenny Salazar who flew in like a banshee. Creating all sorts of unnecessary havoc. Lighting the way for a bunch of troll like FB accounts to join in for a short while. Which led me right to a guy calling himself Ken Jones. This guy claims to be a hit man of some sort. And I should also point out that all 3 of them, “Leanne”, Jenny, and Ken talk about each other being crazy or mentally ill in someway, in fact I believe they all met on FB sites for different mental illnesses. This Ken guy (whose real name is Malik Boodie) even threatened to kill me.
So yes, L.H. seems dirty, and yes he was “Leanne’s” attorney. Also, John Ray seems sketchy and this is now “Leanne’s” attorney. Which is it? Onion or rabbit hole. And does it even matter? Because as I said, both are part of each other now.
You see I didn’t just choose to tell all of this to show how John Ray blurs the lines, no one needs me to tell them about John Ray. Nor is this one more example of how those using the internet in some kind of game, for what ever reasons, has messed with the LISK case. I’ve shown that more than enough. I could say I believe “Leanne”, I could say she’s crazy, or I could say she has an axe to grind with L.H. Hell, I could say maybe it’s a little of all 3. Why would that matter? And what if John Ray did use her and that conference to tell his narrative? Should it not be looked into?
Here’s where I want to leave this, and what I’m trying to get at… the LISK case and many like it all suffer from L.E. not taking them seriously from the beginning. And that’s really a society thing. “Prostitutes”, “drug addicts”, and others deemed “less than” are not priorities.
I’m trying to put into words what I’m trying to say… we all know Howie this scenario works, if someone deems a missing person not important because of their lifestyle (I know that’s a bullshit thing to say, I’m speaking from an asshole’s point of view, in truth it’s not lifestyle we are talking about, it is troubled lives, even more reason to be taken seriously) and things are not investigated properly, later when a body is discovered or worse bodies, it’s too late. From the beginning all missing and murder cases should be treated the same. That’s how I feel and I bet most of you would agree with me. Stop treating the lost and troubled as throw a ways.
In the same vain, all tips and evidence should be looked at. It doesn’t mater what I or anyone else thinks about what “Leanne” said, if there is something or someone there to be looked at, it should be. And there is lots to look into when it comes to L.H.
“Leanne” has reasons to think L.H. is LISK. Some have reasons why they think Hackett is LISK. And the same goes for Burke, Bittrolff, Brewer, and a list of others. It doesn’t matter what any of us think about any of it. It should all be looked at. Hell, even DPH’s ex husbands should be looked at just to see if anything she says is true.
And that’s where I’m gonna have to leave it. I do hope one day the LISK case is solved. . Suffolk County deserves to know if it’s law enforcement and leaders are some kind of evil entity or not. And more importantly the families of the victims deserve answers and some kind of peace.