The Truth About The CCC Part 3

If you read part 2 of this CCC trilogy, you know you were supposed to forget all about part 1. So you probably forgot about DPH and MM7 looking into UG and CCC and coming out with tales of Hackett and Dorothy’s ex husband. Tales of how Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were part of The CCC as well as playing some copy cat murder game against each other over some jealousy thing. You also probably forgot about all the screen names claiming to be part of The CCC coming to my blog and giving me no choice but to look deeper into UG and The CCC. And that’s good that you don’t remember any of that. It’s not needed to see the truth about The CCC. You can read part 2 and go away with what is FACT and can be proven by their own posts and comments on Utopia Guide.

So if you are happy with that, I suggest you skip the rest of this post.

You see the more you look into The CCC and UG, the more you start to question this “harmless” group of “hobbyist”. If you have decided to continue reading, you might want to remember the 1st post again. I know, I told you to forget it and you needed to forget it for part 2, but part 1 and 2 are both needed for part 3. All 3 parts will show how the mythology of The CCC grew and spread.

And just for the record, I’m not saying anyone from The CCC is LISK or that any of them are guilty of criminal activity, well other that the obvious. Again, these are things others who have looked at UG and The CCC have said and passed around. I was not the first to look into this and I’m sure I wont be the last. What I came up with is in part 2. The solid stuff that really don’t show much, other than the Morrie guy is stuck in the middle somewhere. Still there is so much out there that (like everything else) don’t add up. Here we go.

Wait false start, first I have to mention Shady Al’s.

magic ccc lingere bar

Since I am not an LI Native (heh heh) please bear with me. When I first read that The CCC hung out in a bar called “Shady” I lost it. Any long time readers will totally get this. It’s an Eminem thing. And most may wonder why I even mention it. Trust me, it’s not just for a silly Eminem joke. Though, I can’t help it, I find it funny. But this blog always looks at things with multiple eyes (because it is read with multiple eyes), and some of you know who started posting Eminem lyrics before I came along (and it wasn’t Fluke like some might believe). I’ve mentioned it before and will again, there will be a last Eminem post before we are done, for those who still don’t get why this sometimes seems like an Eminem tribute blog.

Oh, I strayed quite a bit, or did I. Let’s wait and see.

Other than the fact this Morrie guy was involved in threatening comments about Amber right before she went missing, there is no connection between those in The CCC and the Gilgo Beach Murders. And yet there are those out there who claim if we knew who some of The CCC members were, there might be more of a connection than Morrie’s baseball bat threats. In part 1 I already talked about MM7 and DPH saying Hackett was Magic from The CCC. I also showed in part 1, that that was highly unlikely, since Magic was said to have died in 2010. MM7 and DPH had also said Brewer was part of The CCC:

mm7 brewer is lw

The thought of Brewer being part of The CCC is definitely intriguing. But going by the things “lightweight” has said about himself, I’m not too sure he is Brewer:

wolf lightweight on families

Married with 3 kids in 2008. Yea, that’s not Brewer. There was also talk of Flukeyou being in the CCC with Brewer. That may come from comments like these:

lightweight to wolf rusian girl

But just because one of the CCC members has a thing for Russian girls does not make it Fluke. In fact the same reasons lightweight isn’t Brewer is the same reason it can’t be Fluke. And as I said in part 1, I looked into Wolf5958 (simple google search you all can do) and he ain’t Flukeyou either.

So there seems to be no real proof Brewer or Fluke were part of The CCC… but there is more talk about such proof, well at least when it comes to Brewer:

ws jb ccc

There are other posts like this on Websleuths where it is claimed that Brewer told people he was part of The CCC. But again, no actual proof that I can see. Still the thought that Brewer may be part of The CCC is intriguing. I said that. But is it true?

See how this could quickly became another tale (tail) being chased around in circles. Let me add to it.

magic dead 1 15 2010

Yes, back to Magic. There is something about this (other than the screen name “deadguy”) that bothers me. “I got the news from SCPD”. What is that all about? Why would SCPD inform someone on UG about the death of another person on UG? Is “deadguy” friends with the cop who told him about Magic? Is the cop a member on UG? I don’t mean to confuse it any further… but it just bothers me.

Maybe this post isn’t a good idea. Maybe I should stop why I’m ahead. But you all read the comment on part 1 from Emily:

emily on ccc

This has to be addressed. First off I don’t buy it. I believe the person who left this comment wants me to believe they are this person:

real emily

And as I said, I don’t buy it, for one second. My LISK blog received bogus comments like this back when I first brought up The CCC, but we will get to all that. There’s a lot we can dissect in the comment on UG by the real Emily. But what I really take away from it, was that she is saying MM7 contacted her about all this, claiming she was an “investigative reporter”. And Emily didn’t like it. Damn, she probably won’t like being part of another WordPress blog, I’m sorry Emily, but don’t blame me, blame the “Emily” who left the comment on Part 1. Assuming it wasn’t you, and as I said, I don’t believe it was. I will get to who I think it is. Patience.

So this “Emily” (the one who commented on part 1) really wants to express that “she” knows most of the guys at UG and they are “NICE” men. We may have a difference of opinion of what is “NICE”. I have read plenty at UG and “NICE” isn’t the word I would use. But let’s just look at what was being said there about the LISK case:

UG on lisk.JPG

” it’s getting interesting”, “I hope everyone has their nose clean”. If they were such “NICE” men, they wouldn’t need to worry about “clean” noses, no?

ug magic not dead

When someone brings up coming forward with information lightweight brings up Seeker. The lol tells us it’s a joke, but since I have done some reading there, it’s not very funny. They also brought up Magic. Another joke, I suppose. I definitely don’t think this means Magic isn’t really dead, but I bet those who wanted to believe Magic was Hackett read this that way. The truth is, some of those at UG loved to poke at Magic. There was some real hatred towards Magic from some of them. Mainly from Lightweight and Teps. They would play these story games on UG where each person would continue the story being told with each new comment, and lightweight just couldn’t help bringing Magic into each one:

lightweight magic dis1

lightweight magic dis2

lightweight magic dis3

lightweight magic dis4

lightweight magic dis5

lightweight magic dis6

That may be hard for some of you to understand what you are reading there. First off you have to read from bottom to top. Anyone who has read at UG knows how confusing that can get. Second, it’s not whole stories, just parts of different ones where lightweight felt the need to bring Magic into it. As you can see by the small portions, you probably don’t want to read their little story games anyways.

How many of you find UG’s story games similar to the types of games played at the “Drunken Stepfather” site. Yea, me too. But I’m not trying to say UG is connected to DS or Lake City Quiet Pills. Don’t go blaming me for mixing the 2 mythologies. I’m just saying, like minds, maybe?

Alright, what I will say about all this is the dislike of Magic does circle around Morrie. Yes, it all comes back to Morrie:

ws ig on ccc1

There that sums quite a bit up, don’t it? I was still not reading at Websleuths when I first looked into The CCC and UG, I could have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had been.

So did Morrie harass Magic? Was Magic some kind of narc? The myhology only growing.

If you want, you can go and read for yourself what UG was talking about when bodies started being discovered off Oak Beach:

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/threads/4-bodies-found-on-li-2-could-be-cl-girls.42531/page-6

As I said before, it’s strange that they don’t mind anyone being able to read all the stuff they post on UG. And it’s eerie reading there. So if you didn’t click and read, I understand. To just point one thing out I will post a couple more comments from that thread:

ug on lisk2

ug on lisk1

“NICE” guys or not, I don’t see The CCC helping, even if they did know one of their members could be involved. Like with all the other corruption in Long Island, no one wants their own “Dirt” looked into.

I really should stop now. But that comment:

emily on ccc

Is this the same Emily who was on UG? They sure do want me to think so. Maybe it is. But if it’s not, there can really only be one person behind it:

cynthia on ccc

Don’t they sound a little alike? I know who wrote that. That’s NERD. He admitted writing it, just as he admitted to being PS149 and Seaslug44. I find the 2 comments so similar that even if the new one is from Emily, I would have to wonder if NERD knew her in some way. Which would be a whole other kind of thing. And this is already very murky.

So, for me, I’m gonna assume that NERD wrote that (I know all about assuming, we’ve talked about this before, and I’m more than happy to make an ass of myself to show the ass in others, you know this).  To understand this you only need to know how NERD likes to involve himself in UG stuff. Back when screen names from UG were popping up on MM7’s and my blog NERD was part of the games:

teps ccc lisk blog

lightweight and teps

I don’t know if those are the Teps and Lightweight from UG. Because when it comes to NERD, you just can’t know. He uses many different IPs. (though still was partial a few for a while) and NERD loves to have ongoing conversations with himself with different screen names. Even if those are the real CCC guys, I am pretty sure these ones are NERD:

puppetmaster

sirmixalot

Even if these are other Websleuthers or UG members, or friends of NERD, it don’t matter, I know for a fact these are NERD’s:

nerd as genius at mm7

nerd as amd on UG

nerd pom

And yes, as I said, this one is NERD as well:

cynthia on ccc

Where to even start… well, NERD chose Genius as one of the UG members to pose as. Unless NERD is Genius. I doubt it. But Genius is on UG, one of the nastier members in my opinion. I wonder why NERD picked that screen name to bring to life in the comments of my blog.

Damn. this is getting long, but I know some of you will appreciate all this. Some of you are already lost, I’m sure. I do apologise for that. I also bet at least one person does not appreciate any of this. I do not apologise for that, you had your chance to clear things up.

So Nerd, aka PS149, aka Seaslug44 had a lot to do with The CCC and UG being brought up. He definitely was part of all the hoopla that got me to go read at UG. But back then I could only guess NERD was PS149, and I had no idea he was Seaslug44, so I would have no idea why NERD knew so much about UG and The CCC. I still don’t, well other than mythology and NERD’s not so believing attempt to explain it all to me. But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. You know how I do that.

Those from Websleuths probably already know where I am going, because it was discussed there when Seaslug44 became one of the many Websleuth members who cross over to POI for other Websleuth members. Because this was found:

sealug44 ug profile

Yep, Seaslug44 was a member at UG, since 2005 I should add. Now this has been explained in many diferent ways by Seaslug44, most he admits were lies. Let’s start with the ones he told other Websleuthers about how he made that account to help find someone, or something like that. Here I’ll let him explain it:

nerd on ss44 on ug to ws

So NERD, or should I say SS44 was called out for having an account on UG, and instead of saying it isn’t him (which he claims it really wasn’t), he makes up some elaborate story to explain why he might have made an account up. All this to cover up a more elaborate story about a crazy ex-wife. But this is where I stared to wonder how honest NERD was being with me. We had talked about a lot of things, and I could understand and believe most of what he was saying. This wasn’t adding up to me.

As I said, the Seaslug44 account was made in 2005, which when I brought up, he acted surprised:

nerd on wife ug

He didn’t realize when the “fake” account was made? He wanted me to believe that he got accused of being a serial killer because someone had made a fake account on a “hobbyiest” site that he did all sorts of searching into, but he never noted when the “fake” account was made? Yea, that don’t seem right. Plus he wants me to believe that his wife was mad at him back in 2005 and made this “Fake” account to screw with him. But he didn’t  even know about it until the thing was brought up on Websleuths. Which by the way he decided to make up a lie about because his wife (who he was still with at that point) could be on Websleuths messing with him. If it’s true, I’m sorry, but I just can’t buy all that. Why would his wife use UG to get at him? Why would she know about such a site. And if she or anyone else made the account in 2005 to mess with him, why did he not even know about it till after it was brought up on Websleuths many years later? NERD’s explanations started getting harder to accept. And then of course I wrote the post about NERD being PS149 and Seasslug44 and I didn’t hear from him anymore. I understood, so I didn’t pester him with more questions, even though his answers on the CCC  and UG stuff just didn’t make sense to me.

Then as I started thinking about making the CCC posts, UG went down. I’m still not sure why it was down, but it was down for quite a while. I had to get some other posts out, but The CCC posts were building in my head. And right before I started putting it all down, UG came back up. Which I thought was great because now there would be references for what I was writing about if anyone wanted to search it out themselves. Which is always best… don’t take my word for anything, go see it all for yourself and make your own decisions. But as I said before, when UG came back it changed just a little. Some comments about The CCC seemed to be gone and the Seaslug44 account, that had changed too:

seaslug44 UG pic

I don’t know who that is, but it ain’t NERD.

Strange, there hadn’t been any comments or interaction from that account on UG since this:

seaslug44 ug

Nothing else since 2005. And the picture and info had always been blank:

sealug44 ug profile

But now, years later, and not long after I speak with NERD, aka PS149, aka, Seaslug44 the UG goes down and returns with an updated SS44 account:

new seaslug ug pic

Weird, right? I’m not saying this means anything. I don’t know if someone asked Slinky Bender to change or remove stuff, or maybe it’s just all unrelated coincidences. All I do know is I decided to see what NERD thought about it:

nerd block1

nerd block 2

And with that I was blocked. Fine. Just remember you came to the blog with your games NERD, all I did was figure them out. Go ahead and think I’m the bad guy. You are in good company. You don’t have to explain anything to anyone, but these questions are there.

Oh, and if you are behind the new “Emily” comment, NERD, WTF? Do you really think a third go at all this is a good idea? Just come clean and apologize for once again coming to my blog and thinking I’m still playing, when I said long ago, I’m done playing.

Wow, I really did go too far here. We really should have just stuck with part 2. A little late now though.

When it comes to The CCC there might not be much more than mythology. But that mythology is very thick.

whereitat ccc like brothers

 

Shit Meet Fan

Sorry for the title, but that’s how this time of year usually feels for me, and it’s everywhere at the moment.

I know you were all expecting part 3 to the CCC posts, and it’s still coming, but I have to take a moment to acknowledge everything going on right now.

Any long time readers know that September and October are pretty much dead times on the blog. If you go back and look, I don’t post much during these times. This, most of you know, is because I work at one of the top haunts in America… but no shameless plugs. If you do go back and look at those times of year, you’ll also see people seem to come out of nowhere at these times. So it’s no surprise someone who has done this before, chose right now to poke his head back in and say hello:

return of som 2

That’s Son of Man, Aka Sebastien Rathier. Remember him? If not, you can go back and read the posts about him, because I ain’t going to waste time getting back into SOM and all his delusions. What’s important is that SOM thinks it’s cute to post stuff on my haunt character’s social media. Which is where that comment above was left. Some of you might remember, he did this before. And while I find it amusing when one of the nuts tries to bring that part of my life into all this. It’s also irritating.

Back when Jen G. found out personal stuff about me, she floated the idea that I might be trying to use my LISK blog to self promote. Which was ridicules. Then once I started this blog, “Zero’s World” other’s followed suit and started looking into my personal life, bringing up my wife and kids, my brother and my “scary” haunt character, so I said fuck it… if everyone is so interested in my personal life I would make this blog more personal. Not self promoting, but I tried to show me in real life from time to time, not just the asshole everyone loves to hate here in internet land. But anything I put out there was used against me time and time again. Which I knew could happen… so… say la vie.

Still, as I said it’s irritating. Back when no one knew who I was, people cried out, you could be anyone, Mike, Hackett, Wolff… any of the big bad guys that people were making up at the time. So I let personal stuff out there to show, I was just who I say I am, and that it really holds no connections or hidden agendas. Then I’m self promoting. Yet it’s most of you out there promoting me. You dug deep to find what ever you could and what did ya find? I have a wife and kids. I told ya that. I work at a haunt, yep, mentioned that as well. These are not things I’m trying to promote here though, nor are they things any of you internet nuts should be using to “get even” with me.  It’s irritating, but it ain’t gonna razzle me (I like that word, RAZZLE!).

So SOM, listen up. Go back into hiding. Remember we talked about those pesky fleas. Don’t be a flea right now. I ain’t got time to scratch at an itch that is slightly irritating at best. Go fight the good fight against nuclear energy.

This goes for everyone. I promise I will take the time, one last time,  for anyone who still wants to play games at some point (November). But can’t we stay above it for just a moment? After all the shit is hitting the fan all over:

fake news

fake news under pic

This article hit 3 days ago and got all our attention. Right away, many of us questioned if it was real. So far, the article is still there to be read:

http://www.sundaypost.org/2017/09/08/decapitated-female-body-found-in-a-suitcase-at-jones-beach-sparks-long-island-serial-killer-fears/

But just in case it does go away, here is what it says:

fake news 2

fake news 3

fake news 4

WOW BOB WOW! Right?

But there are many reasons to question this article. First no one has seemed to see this story mentioned anywhere else. Well one person did say they saw it on the news, but she doesn’t like it when I mention her here. So I wont.

There is also the Tweet:

fake LE tweet

No one knows if this is a real tweet. I can’t find proof it existed.

It isn’t there. Maybe it was taken down, but why?

Then there it the article’s author David Lee… is this guy even real? I sure can’t find another article by him. The picture may be a stock photo of some kind… but I did find the same picture being used here:

https://forum.fiverr.com/t/need-logo-designer-of-graphics-artist/138762/6

dave lee

dave lee william

Now is this just some other random person using this fake picture or is this who wrote the article? Somewhere it don’t add up. Why isn’t LE stepping up to confirm or deny this article? Yes, something here does not add up.

But this was only the beginning right?

Because then we all read this:

Bittrolff connected

And if the discussions of Bittrolff being guilty or set up weren’t already in full force… this would have done it. But the discussion was already a heated subject, so this only fans the flames.

LI carpenter could be Gilgo Beach serial killer, tied to Craigslist murders: prosecutor

Yes, this is interesting. Why now? I wonder myself. But I think you all know how I feel about Bittrolff. So I will patiently wait to see where this goes as usual.

Besides, the biggest shock came while we were all still trying to get our heads around all this:

lh arrested

http://longisland.news12.com/story/36356616/babylon-town-councilmember-arrested-on-assault-charges

Is this the beginning of the end?

lh assult

And how about those other times?

LH MG.JPG

The timing on this is unbelievable. As most of you know I have been staying away from too many posts on the newly infamous Lindsey Henry. But some of you also know that after I was finished with my CCC trilogy, I was finally gonna set my sights on the councilman from Babylon. Bring everything that has been floating around out there together into a neat little bow.

And then this happens.

Man Lindsey, you just added to that post. As well as the amount of people who will probably read it.

Maybe all this shaking up will finally lead somewhere. I know a lot of you have no faith in the local LE, and I don’t blame you. But maybe, just maybe, things are starting to crack.

I hope so.

No mater what happens, as I said before, this blog is gonna move right along towards graduation day… so let’s keep moving…

Where was I?

Oh yea, The CCC…

Well, let’s get back to it…

The Truth About The CCC Part 2

Before we get into this post (it’s bound to be quite lengthy) go ahead and forget part 1. The first part kind of lingers in the myth and hearsay. I wanted you (the reader) to feel as I did when all of this info about The CCC came pouring into my LISK blog. It was during my first year blogging about all this, 2013, and I really didn’t know what to make of all it. Was any one from Oak Beach part of The CCC? Were all the screen names popping up in the blog comments really from UG? Did The CCC actually post comments? Was there a serial killer or killers among their group? Was this something totally conjured up in Dorothy’s head and then pushed into reality with the help of those around her (you know who you are)? I wanted to think that and run far away from The CCC and UG. As I have said in the past, it creeps me out to read at that place, I know some of you feel exactly the same way. I don’t like spying in on the conversations there. I could never understand why the site was open to be read by the public the way it was. Why would they want all that seen by literally anyone? Reading there gave me the heebie-jeebies. But as I said, DPH and MM7 were not the only ones talking about The CCC… and to find out why I would have to do more reading at UG.

And I did. Way too much. But I got the story behind The CCC. As I’m sure many before me already had done, since as I mentioned, lots of things about The CCC are scattered out there. Other people read all about The CCC on UG. So why is their story still so confusing? Why do so many people seem to know things about The CCC but don’t know what they know? I guess it was because so many out there were being mislead about the things they found or they were the ones trying to mislead people. So let’s get through all the hoopla and find something worth hanging our hat on, shall we? To do that we need to forget that other post. Forget MM7 and DPH trying to convince people Magic was Hackett. Forget all the screen names that jumped from UG to mine and MM7’s blogs. Forget all of it, and let’s start fresh.

So what does CCC stand for anyway? I think most of us would agree that it stands for Carney Construction Company or Carney Construction Crew. That’s what most of us have heard, right? And I think we also all can agree, crew or company is not a big difference. But what about Carney Construction? Where did that come from? Let’s go back to the beginning to see.

Warning! The discussions on UG are gratuitous and offensive at best. You’ve been warned:

magic lightweight get together.JPG

I know… ewww! But Magic’s gang bang request led to discussions of a UG get together:

lightweight shadys.JPG

magic gold stars before ccc.JPG

Which led to The CCC:

lightweight magic ccc first meeting

So back in 2008 Carney Construction was born so these online “hobbiest” could meet up in person. And there is actually a lot written about this first meeting both in planning it:

 

johnmator on first ccc meeting

lightweight ccc for wolfmagic biohazard ccc hat

biohazard wolf ccc hat

And afterwards:

lightweight on first ccc meeting

biohazard on firts ccc meeting

biohazard on first ccc meetingFrom reading these early conversations we learn that lightweight came up with the name Carney Construction in Wolf5958’s “honor”. Interesting. We also learn The CCC had their first “meeting” on February 2, 2008 at Shady Al’s. (Shady!) What else can be learned from reading these early discussions about The CCC?

jamesfromny ccc name tags

Carney Construction Corp… The CCC. Though I will again point out, that last C was interchangeable:

lightweight barmaid ccc

lightweight ccc

magic ccc ug shadys.JPG

magic wolf ccc meeting.JPG

Yes. The CCC was a big hit. The “meet & greet” went so well that more followed:

lightweight on next ccc meeting

magic lightweight ccc blog

wolf lightweight on families

magic grand opening ccc

magic ccc lw and tammy shadys

wolf answersjames name tags

wolf say hi from ccc

wolf tell them ccc sent you

wolf biohazard ccc

wolf jamesfromny ccc

wolf and treborny ccc

teps ccc digging deeper

lightweight vd

teps ccc 2 14 08

teps carney construction

lightweight welocomes whereitat to ccc

 

teps shady ccc.JPG

Yes, The CCC got around that February. And did Magic say there was a CCC blog in the works? That would be quite the read I bet. Where does all this connect to the LISK case though? I mean without hearsay and speculations. There is a place where they do come together… to find it we have to skip a few months ahead from The CCC’s immaculate-less conception to that falling out with Magic I wrote about in part 1. I know, you forgot all about that post, good. So let me refresh your memory on what we are looking for here:

teps magic ccc 2008

In August of 2008, just half a year from The CCC’s creation, there was trouble in paradise. Secret groups seldom work out. Whether it be social media groups or a group of pathetic men lurking strip clubs together. But combine the 2… yea, it’s bound to go bad. And with The CCC it was a falling out with Magicfingersny that would stop all the chummy conversation on UG about the new (although mock) construction company. Yes the crew had a break up. And you can follow it in the comments on UG:

magic reply to teps

teps back to magic

There is talk that Magic joins in on posts and comments when he has no personal experiences with the girls he comments about. People wonder if he does it to be part of the conversation, but others wonder if there is more to it. Some accuse Magic of stalking members of UG and even giving away identities. I’m not gonna go to much into all that, because I’m not sure what really happened, lots of back n forth on UG can lead you either way. Did Magic betray his new buddies or was it just a misunderstanding? Basic internet back n forth. Not important for what we are looking for. No, what we want is a name. And I think most of you know that name…

Morrie.

The whole blow up with Magic begins on a thread about a “provider” named Christina. She is often called “Morrie’s Girl”.  Morrie is discussed on UG… though I do believe most of it is not so easy to find anymore, since UG came back from what ever it was down for (Yes, I’m implying something here, simply, when UG went down it came back up with a lot of this stuff not so easy to find, some of it seems to be completely gone… well not completely):

teps morrie.JPG

lightweight and teps on morrie 2013

So who is Morrie? Well, when someone asked that very question on UG, this was the answer:

lightweight on morrie

So Morrie was the owner or another board like UG. A site that was taken down. We all know this story… and that means we all know how The CCC connect to the LISK case, right? I will say it again…

Morrie.

For those who don’t know or just haven’t put it together (I really do wonder how many people did not know all this, I figure everyone must, it’s all out there… but still so many people tell me they don’t know anything about The CCC and think the whole thing was made up. An easy trick I guess, because The CCC was made up, but those who were part of its hoax, they are real, as real as their connection to Morrie and therefore a connection to the LISK case. Sorry, another long parentheses, I hate them as much as you do… but I can’t seem to help myself… alright read this if you already haven’t:)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/internet-sex-forum-wanted-revenge-long-island-hooker-murdered-dumped-burial-grounds-article-1.116003

Most of you do know about this, right? The screen names Humiliatrix69, italyrider, and Morrie seem to all involved in a conversation about Amber right before she goes missing. Because of all the confusion and misinformation, some people think UG (Utopia Guide) is where threats against Amber were made.  Longislanderotic.com is actually where this happened, and the site was taken down. A site that may have been owned by a ex-con named Morrie who discussed a plot to get even with a girl who then turns up dead. This site was taken down and that helped UG grow from what I can see. Do Morrie or Humiliatrix69, or italyrider have anything to do with the death of Amber? I of course have no way of knowing such things, but it’s a connection that can’t just be ignored. And Morrie’s comments should also not be ignored. “Tell her we are all coming over there with baseball bats,”  or how nobody would “hear from those 2 girls anymore.”  These comments are enough to make Morrie a POI, right? And I know many have asked about “Morrie”, who is he? Why did police clear him so easily? That question can be applied to every POI in the LISK case if you ask me. The answer may have something to do with all the corruption in Suffolk County. But don’t let me get sidetracked…

Morrie.

Who is he? Maybe that can be discovered by the company he held:

teps on shadys and morrie

And he seems to be part of The CCC Crew. Which means he is probably one of the screen names on UG… I have my guesses. But I want to keep this post on a straight path, so let’s hear what is said about all this on UG:

teps on italirider and morrie

teps morrie trouble with feds

So again, from what I can tell, beyond the stories and myths of The CCC… the connection between this group of “hobbiest” and the LISK case is…

Morrie.

Too some that may seem like a red flag showing proof of some sort of real connection, to others, another coincidence, right? I can’t tell ya which I believe is true. Separating the coincidence from the things that really matter in the LISK case, has not been one of my strong points.

You can see it in their own words though (after all, that is what we do here, no?), exactly where The CCC came about and why some might connect them to the LISK case. That should do it, right?

Except some of you reading these comments can also maybe see where a lot of the myth comes from as well. We should probably just leave it here and not dwell into all that… but I think you all know that ain’t happening.

To be continued…

The Truth About The CCC Part 1

Over the years a lot has been said about a group of men in Long Island called The CCC. With all the stories floating around, it has become somewhat of a myth. I think it’s time that myth was cleared up.

Finding the whole story behind The CCC can be a little difficult. There are lots of rumors and hearsay out there and it’s all scattered. The best place to get the truth is to read it directly at the site The CCC originated: Utopia Guide. I think most people know by now about Utopia Guide, it is a site where Johns, meaning sex trade clients, discuss what they call their  “hobby”. That “hobby” being paying for sex.

I will get more into Utopia Guide as this post grows… but for now I should point out, that Utopia Guide was down for a little while recently. I noticed that when the site came back up, some of The CCC stuff was gone. That will make this a little harder to get at the root of The CCC… but as we all know, once it’s on the internet, it can be found.

Since DPH is where I first got some kind of story about The CCC, that’s where we will start:

dph ccc lie

WTF?!? Dorothy wrote that back in January, and it is complete Dorothy Dog Shit! The thing is, she knows this is a lie. Don’t you Dorothy? I mean you know you made this up, don’t you? Again I have to ask, those around Dorothy in everyday life… is she crazy and you don’t care? Do you just not see it? Does she cover up the crazy? Or is she doing this on purpose? Which ever it is, and I’m starting to wonder if we will ever really know for sure, her comment above about The CCC mixed in with Fluke “neighbor agenda” and “Burke propaganda” is exactly why I decided to finally put this post together. It’s crap, and it makes an already complicated thing, more complicated. So please, try again Dorothy:

jerry dph ccc

Well, that’s closer to the story you and MM7 first told me… let’s just cut to the chase:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/?s=the+ccc

That may be a little confusing, some of it is comments left on UG about a guy with the screen name magicfingersny. I believe MM7 wanted to show proof that The CCC existed, because there were a few out there trying to convince her it was a joke, a made up thing. On her blog people using screen names from UG straight up told her The CCC was a hoax:

wolf5958 mm7 blog

I should point out DPH was convinced Wolf5958 was her ex husband. I did a quick google search and decided it was not her ex husband. In fact I’m guessing anyone looking into The CCC looked all into this screen name… they have enough of a trail online to do so. This was one of the many times I questioned how much of the false information being put out there was on purpose. I mean Dorothy and MM7 had to have found everything I did, I found everything they did. So they had to have known this wolf was not Dorothy’s ex husband. And therefore connecting Dorothy’s ex husband to UG and The CCC by a screen name that they knew wasn’t him? I’m just saying. What am I saying? Oh yea, I don’t think wolf5958 from UG was Dorothy’s ex husband, that’s what I’m saying.

Still… all the screen names from UG popping up on MM7’s blog didn’t help with the confusion. Which obviously was the point, which is why I believe they showed up on my blog as well:

teps ccc lisk blog

teps lisk blog

Man, I was all so new to these games back then. And I had no idea if these were people from UG or just trolls. Back then I just figured it was people wanting me to look at UG and The CCC. I mean why bring attention to themselves if it was really them? But now I wonder… could some of them been the real UG screen names they claimed?

lightweight and teps

Either way it got me reading UG (thanks, a lot), and there I could see where DPH and MM7 got their story from:

teps magic ccc 2008

So this is what MM7 had posted on her blog, and it does seem to show that there was a CCC and this guy Magic was kicked out of it. The reason why seems to stem from Magic posting on UG about girls without really using their services. In hindsight, the story of Magic’s fall from The CCC is worth looking into… but back then, I didn’t know it. What I did know, was the story DPH and MM7 got out of all this was crazy.

If you don’t know the story, this is basically it:

4 men, who were part of group called The CCC were responsible for the AC4 murders. Not together, but 4 guys each took turns killing 1 of the 4 girls. Then years later they get in a fight with a member of this little group, Magic, and kick him out of the group. But Magic knows about the murders they each committed and is determined to get even with them. So Magic then goes and kills 4 girls, the GB4, wanting to make it look like his old buddies were responsible.

I swear, that’s the story DPH and MM7  were telling. That was what they came up with after looking into The CCC and UG. I blame television.

So, as I already wrote, DPH thought her ex husband was in The CCC. Dorothy also thought Fluke might have been in The CCC. Dorothy and MM7 also believed Brewer was part of the group:

mm7 brewer is lw

I already said that I don’t believe Dorothy’s ex husband was part of the CCC, but Fluke? Maybe… and Brewer? Interesting thought, huh? We will have to come back to that. Another person they connected to The CCC was Hackett. In fact they believed that guy Magic was Hackett. This of course fitted everything Fluke was selling both DPH and MM7 about Hackett. Out of all of them, this one is definitely not true. Magic couldn’t be Hackett, because Magic is dead:

magic dead 1 15 2010

And quite a few people comment about it:

magic memorial1

fuhecu2 magic stonehedge

 

billy s rip magic marc

When I saw all this (again, back then I was new to many parts of this) I couldn’t understand why DPH or MM7 would try to say Magic was Hackett. They were getting their information from UG, and they had to have known Magic was dead and therefore not Hackett. In fact I couldn’t figure out why they would think this was connected to LISK at all. I wrote the whole thing off at first. Which was easy, because I really didn’t like reading at UG. But they weren’t the only ones mentioning The CCC, so as with everything else I kept chasing it.

At the end of the day (I really hate that phrase and use it mockingly) The CCC and UG seemed to have plenty to look into without pretending Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were people they obviously weren’t. I also discovered you didn’t have to come up with some made for TV story about a serial killer copycatting his 3 serial killer friends to connect The CCC to the LISK case.

To be continued…