Catechizing The LISK Murders

As many of you know I’ve been clashing with quite a few people and places out there lately. Yes, I bet Websleuths and all its Sleuthers are not crazy about my blog anymore. But they are still crazy, lol.

There are other places, secret Facebook pages, LISK groups, and such. I try to give them all the benefit of the doubt, but they all seem to be infested with nuts. Well I just found a place I hadn’t seen before and it has to be the most dangerous of them all right now…

I can not sit by quietly while this happens!

This group has to be exposed before something really bad happens. I only hope I’m too to.

The group page is :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1004493239676354/

And it’s run by someone named Kim Vest:

https://www.facebook.com/kim.vest.353?fref=nf

I’m gonna call it straight out before I go any further, Kim seems like a member of the nut gallery. In fact I would bet on it. And it’s not just comments like these:

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Does she really think because 2 people are Asian that means they are probably friends? Yea sorry Kim, that’s a nutty thing to say. But that’s not why I say she’s in the nut gallery. It’s also not because she has nutty arguments with other nutty people:

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How familiar does this look to a lot of you?  This stuff is going on in so many LISK groups and pages. I’m not gonna get into all the parallels of what so many are involved in right now… but you see it right?

So Kim has a LISK group where she says some nutty things and has some nutty commenters who  I’m guessing came over from a Casey Anthony page. Yes, seen it all before… it screams crazy! But none of this is why I think Kim is part of the nut gallery and none of that is why I feel an urgency to point out what is happening on this page.

First off there is this:

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There ya go… the leader of the nut gallery. Dorothy Price Hill. But it get’s worse:

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Is everyone seeing this? Jerry the stalker has met Dorothy the queen LISK nut. This is bad. And it’s not just because these 2 are very dangerous if they start working together, but as many of us know and you can see right there, Jerry thinks he knows who LISK is. If you have been paying close attention, everyone reading here knows who Jerry believes LISK is. But there are lots about Jerry you don’t know. But don’t worry , by the end of this post you will all know plenty. First though back to Kim’s little group. Jerry made his way there just the other day:

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That little fucker is talking about me. You little shit. I have said many times I’m no hero. I’m a fucking villain. I’m your villain now you little creep. Also to imply I make any money off this blog or the LISK case is so beyond stupid. This blog isn’t even a LISK blog, it’s primarily about internet nuts who screw with people. If you actually read it you’d know that, dumb-ass. LOL, yea, Jerry Jamie Hall is getting under my skin a little. Don’t worry though, I’m ’bout to scratch. One last thing ass-wipe, Zero’s World is one of the few places that has named this person you are talking about. And I would have gone deeper into it, but it is part of an active investigation. Going into it all in further detail could jeopardize it, if, and I say IF it pans out to a real LISK connection.

Now back to Kim’s groups. It’s a good thing I saw this today… because I’m telling you this is not good! Just look at the 3 of them together:

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Man, I’m not liking where any of this is going. And since I know exactly what has been going on behind the scenes and what Jerry stumbled into… Damn, I just don’t know what to do here, where to start and how much has to be said. To start with read this:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/jerry-hallech/

Also let’s just get this up:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

So Jerry or Jamie or what ever this creeps real name got himself wrapped up in LISK by harassing the girl in this video. Both Jerry and the girl from this video have given me copies of some of their conversation. And yes, some of it confirms what many are hinting at… right plottmaster?  But let me make this clear, it’s all being looked at, and it has to be. Jerry running around harassing people, dropping hints, talking to other nuts, and having his friends send out links and snapshots of conversations is not helping anyone solve LISK. And if you are working with him… you are making a dangerous mistake.

What you don’t know is Jerry stalks and harasses females on the internet. So regardless of what he thinks he knows about the LISK case you do not want to let this guy into your life in any way.

Jerry and Jamie are fake names, and he likes  to use fake names. Let’s take a closer look at the Jerry account:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

I really like his intro:

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Damn that’s funny. Coming from a guy who very much has bullied a few people lately. Listen, most of you know I wouldn’t say this if I didn’t truly believe this guy was dangerous… STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

I have now spoken to several people who say that he has stalked or harassed them. Wanting them to help him:

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He than latches on whether you try to ignore him or talk to him. He send’s this video to lots of different women claiming he made it for them:

I told ya… creepy with a capital CREEP! Does he really think “God Save The Queen” is romantic. I don’t know who Jerry made this video for, but I know he has sent it to at least a few ladies.

By the way Jerry belongs to many pages… did you notice this one?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/106138616389709/?order=&member_query=jerry&view=members

Yep, that’s our CREEPer:

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And just in case you don’t know what that group is:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achterdam_(Alkmaar)&prev=search

CREEPer!

OK, he sends different pictures out when he is tries to take someone into his madness:

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That’s not very clear. how about this one:

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There ya are. Well if that’s really him in the video. This guy is so crazy I don’t know how far he gets into his catfishing games. I mean this guy  is  wacko. But I think it is him in the video and that means that’s him next to Iron Man. I still don’t know who he is or what his real name is… but again, trust me, he is playing some strange games and you don’t want to be a part of it.

Now as I said in my last post about this nut, he had some “friend” contact me and give me info on his LISK POI and some of his stalking private messages between Jerry and the lady from John Ray’s conference. I’d like to post them all… plus the ones she sent me as well… it shows just how Jerry works. But I can’t there is sensitive stuff in it and I am not about to interfere with this case like some of you nuts. This friend who Jerry had contact me is the only connection to this scary internet stalker (and you know I don’t use that phrase lightly), his name is Hayden Lufkin:

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And let me tell you Hayden, by sending me the stuff “Jerry” asked you to send me, you interfered with an open serial killer case. I’m not joking either. Did you read any of that stuff you sent me? You need to step up and stop your so-called “friend” from these games he is playing. Not help him play them.

Again, the stuff Jerry Jamie Hall thinks he knows about LISK is already out there. It’s on this blog! You don’t need him. So don’t work with him. He is dangerous! And not like Dorothy or Susie or the other slanderous nuts. This guy has issues and he is looking for some unlucky lady to help him with them (did I mention he says he is married?). So for those of you who continue on and find out for your self. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.

That’s where I have to leave this for now… this guy is crazy, he has weaseled his way into the LISK case, and now thanks to Kim he just met Dorothy Price Hill.

Still Crushing

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Dorothy left that on one of her new internet stomping grounds Americans For Trump: https://www.facebook.com/groups/americansfortrump/?fref=nf

And there’s more… oh yes, there are more. But first I need to pull the curtain back on the blog for a second to explain how things work behind the scenes of what gets written here.

I know it may seem like I’m constantly stalking Dorothy to see what she’s writing about me. Dorothy definitely sees it this way. She tells everyone who will listen that I’m stalking her. The truth of course is just the opposite, she stalks everything I write… I’ve proven that time and time again (and I am about to prove it one more time). But still I know people must wonder how I keep up with her everywhere. I will admit that back when this first started, back when Dorothy, Cristin,  Jen, Nerd, & Flukeyou were wrapped up in their twisted games, back when Dorothy got Nancy to post my name all over the internet, back when trolling screen names were everywhere  I chased it all the time. Putting each of their names in my google search to see what they were saying and what they had said. I spent hours and hours, days and nights looking into all of them.

But that’s not how it works now. I just don’t have the time to chase the same old shit over and over for hours on end. I mean I think if anything, this blog shows, not much has changed over the years in what Dorothy or Joey have said. I mean yes they tweek their stories from time to time, and Dorothy loves to add new characters to her stories (yours truly being one of them), but mostly, it’s the same crap over and over.

It’s not that I don’t still go chasing from time to time, it’s just this blog really took a step off the public posts and into private chats and discussions.  I’ve talked about this before. Off blog I have met some great people and have serious discussions about the things being said out there. And it isn’t uncommon for someone to write me and let me know they came across Dorothy mentioning me or the blog.

And this is exactly what happened when it comes to these Trump page rants. I checked my messages on the ZW FB :  and someone gave me the heads up:

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There was a link to the Trump page (linked above) where I found these little nuggets:

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You are reading that right. Dorothy wants to blame me  for “planting” some internet story on Trump. Jesus Christ… the last thing I need right now is to get into it with some Trumptards. Ugh! That probably won’t help me much there. I have to point out Dorothy calls herself  “a witness in the Gilgo case”. Damn, she just never stops. My favorite part is after the many comments over the last 3 years where she has said she has given all my info to Police, Detectives, and FBI… she now  wants to sick the DOJ on me. You can’t see or hear it, but I am cracking up… a literal LMFAO moment. If only they can “trace the IP addresses”, damn, that’s good.

Is there more? Of course there is. But first once again, let’s pull that curtain back. This is gonna stray a little, but hang in there, we will be returning to Dot and Trump.

While I was gathering screen shots for this post, I received a message from another reader about Dorothy:

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http://www.crimewatchers.net/forum/index.php?threads/long-island-serial-killer-lisk-gilgo-killer.2051/page-10

I clicked on the link and was surprised (somewhat pleasantly) to see someone had mentioned my blog there. But it wasn’t anything to do with Dorothy. As far as I know any way. Someone on the thread (and you can go to it and see it for yourself on page 10) mentioned a comment left on my LISK.com  blog back in February by TAL. Some of you long time readers probably remember it. But for those who don’t, here it is (just as the person who posted this in the thread above warned, it is kinda long):

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There was also a second comment left on my old LISK blog from TAL:

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I can understand why the person from the Crime Watchers thread would find this comment interesting.  Many people did. And even though we are straying heavily from Dorothy and The Trump Page (I promise we will get back there), I can’t help it, you know how it works, the posts go where the posts go sometimes. I went to this Crime Watchers thread expecting to find something new from Dorothy and they were talking about the TAL comment. That’s how it works sometimes. And just to sort out any confusion (or create more), it’s understandable that the above comments left by TAL would make my readers think of Dorothy. These types of stories are all over the internet and have been circling for years. I can tell you first hand that a lot of these stories come right back to Jen (story of a friend who was told by a foreign woman that she was married to LISK), Cristin (story of Dr. Hackett being an internet stalker), Dorothy (story of ex-husband being LISK), Candyce (the many stories of being choked, drugged, and abducted, yea most of those come from her), and Fluke Scalise Jr. (stories of parties at Brewer’s and a group of Oak Beach neighbors covering up for Dr. Hackett). Yes, there are lots of stories that when chased back, lead you to this group of… what’s a good word here? I call them crazy and nuts all the time, but really it’s worse than that. This is a group of really fucked up people and not one word is bad enough to explain what they are (Stick that in your pipe and smoke it). But there others out there, with their own cryptic stories all claiming the cops won’t listen to them or that they are afraid to go to the cops. Are any of them real? Good question. One we are gonna dive into using TAL as an example, sorry TAL.

When you read the comments on my blog left by TAL 3 questions arise. Who is TAL? Why, after all these years, did he choose to tell his story on my old LISK.com blog? Is what he wrote real? All fair questions. Let’s start with the first one.

After these comments appeared on my old blog I wrote an Email to them.  They seemed to be someone who had just found my old blog (but I get that a lot as long time readers know. And some are new readers, but some are new screen names from old “friends”). Still I looked into who they might be… it wasn’t hard to figure out. In fact anyone paying attention would have seen it all out there (almost like clues to be found):

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Yep, right there on the Praying For Shannan Maria Gilbert FB page, in between Dorothy Dog Shit, is a very similar story. OK, the same story. So TAL is Tom LaSala. See easy if you were paying attention. I have to admit, Tom chosing to tell his story mixed in with Dorothy’s rant is questionable. Maybe my reader is right and Dorothy is connected to this somehow. We all know Dorothy goes on and on about James Burke being involved in the LISK murders. Of course most of that comes from her detective friend Peter F. (saw him on TV the other night, not at all what I expected). He has been obsessed with Burke long before the Gilgo Beach bodies were found. Hey Pete, you might have noticed I have been mentioning you a lot lately in comments and posts… that’s called foreshadowing). Still just because Tom LaSall’s story involves James Burke doesn’t mean Dorothy or Petey have anything to do with it. Though it doesn’t mean they don’t. But to be fair, with Burke’s current place of residence, everyone is starting to question just how deep does his  corruptness go? I’m not any where ready to say Burke is a serial killer and Long Island LE and government officials were/are willing to cover it up for him, but it’s obvious they didn’t want FBI or anyone else poking arround in their affairs. Alright we are way off track. gotta start pulling this back.

I spoke to Tom via a few e-mails and he seemed like a nice guy. Which is why I never put all this out in a post like this. But there were things that bothered me about him as well. And I guess, bottom line, that is why it’s coming out now, well that and the fact others are discussing it on the Crime Watchers thread an a reader asked me to try to help clear it up. So I’m trying.

My biggest issue was that he came to my blog with it in the first place.  Don’t get me wrong, I am happy for anyone who takes the time to comment on any of my blogs, and to drop such a colorful story, well I am thankful. But my blog is known to chase after the crazy stories and hearsay out there. It focuses on disproving and calling out the so-called nuts. So yea, not the place to start I would think.

Then to write the story again under your Facebook account in between Dorothy comments. Again, not the best way to be taken seriously. Still, like I said, he seemed like a nice guy and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and not seem like I attack everyone who comes to my blog… I know it feels like that sometimes. I get it Dorothy, I really do.

What really got to me is the vanishing act.So many come here, blurt stuff out and are gone. I don’t trust that. Stay a while, get to know the place. Those hit and runs are way to Fluke like, and when people do it, they lose all credibility with me. I mean, Tom drops this bomb shell and doesn’t come back to answer any comments from others. Hit and run. Even stranger than that, was at this time, there was a reporter/writer going around wanting to talk to anyone who felt they had info on the LISK case. He was writing an article for Honeysuckle Magazine. He had been on my blogs and seen the TAL comment and wrote TAL an e-mail (you can see in the comment, that TAL made a “unique” e-mail just for the comment calling himself a “LISK witness”). Now when TAL/Tom wrote his comment, leaving that e-mail, he must have expected people to write him. And here was someone doing a story on LISK, the perfect chance for Tom to get what he said happened out there after all these years (yea waiting 6 years to tell his story, made me also wonder about Tom. It’s the second question from above: Why wait so long to tell his story? Maybe he was afraid of cops like he said. Maybe the recent arrest of Burke made Tom remember that night. But to me waiting for 6 years just doesn’t add up). You would think Tom would have jumped at the chance to talk to the reporter. Nope. The reporter wrote me telling me that he saw the comment and wrote the guy (Tom) but he didn’t want to talk to him (reporter). This puzzled us both and since I was sharing e-mails with Tom at the time I asked him why. He told me I was the only one he trusted at the moment. Strange, but I have to admit it felt nice to read. In fact Tom praised me and my blog quite a bit and said other than my blog and the Shannan page, he didn’t think he would put his story up anyplace else, Again, it felt nice to read such praise, but it also felt like a snow job (winter pun intended). I mean he was telling me how I’m the only one discussing the LISK case that he trusted and how cool he thought I was, but come on, why? And if you really thought I was so cool and my blog was the best place out there on this (the first part is true I guess, but my blogs are far from the best out there on any subject other than Fluke and Dorothy) , I mean if Tom really felt that way, so strong, that he wasn’t gonna tell his story any other place… where’d he go? Why not stay at the one place he felt worthy of getting this off his chest (after 6 long years), stick around and stand by what you wrote? Yea, I just don’t know if I buy it.

Which brings us to the third question on TAL‘s comment (we covered enough of the second one about why he waited so long to tell his tale in parentheses, right?) This is the main question, yes? Is what TAL wrote real? Did it happen? There are just to many questions for me to believe it happened. Doesn’t mean it didn’t, but in the end I just don’t think so. Tom seemed like a nice guy, but  there are just to many strange things about him and his actions that I just can’t get my head around. For a third time in this post I apologise Tom. And I tell you, as I did in  our e-mails, if what you wrote in those comments really happened, and you think you saw something back in 2010 that is related to the LISK case, if James Burke himself really came out by himself to question you about what you saw… there are people who you can go to. Go to the FBI, go to the press. Right now people are talking about these cases again. Burke’s arrest has sparked new reasons for answers. So if you really believe you are a “LISK Witness”, you should stop at nothing to get the truth out there.

I’ve said this to everyone, even Dorothy at one time. But I’ve also said to everyone (Dorothy all the time), don’t spread rumors and outright lies that fit your own agenda or crazy delusion. And if TAL would have stuck around, maybe we’d have a better idea of where he really stands in all this. But he didn’t. No updating e-mails and he never returned to the comments. Now this could be my fault, I haven’t tried to send any new e-mails or messages through FB. Which brings us back to this post’s running theme, I just don’t have the time to chase down things that don’t lead anywhere but endless circles.

To take it one step further (a step too far probably), it wasn’t just the comment I was unsure of. Even though I say again, Tom seemed like a nice guy in our e-mails, the few things I did find on him made him a new strange character in the LISK Onion. You see Tom is in a Long Island local band called Electric Caves. And he writes a blog. One post in particular caught my eye:

Smells like MK ULTRA

Wow Bob Wow! Am I right? TAL sure can write. I know where he is getting a lot of that, but man he put it all together so beautifully, it almost seems plausible (for those who didn’t take the time to read the whole post, I understand, but man you missed out).

Alright, take it for what’s there. I could go deeper into my thoughts on it all, but it’s better you all come to your own conclusion. I never got into all this back in February and maybe I should have. The whole thing was strange, and I’ve seen plenty of strange since I started writing these blogs. Again it may all be crap and I should have just left it alone, or maybe TAL is a witness like he claims and his story of Burke needs to be looked into by proper authorities, or maybe there is some place in between where most things lie.

I’ve spent enough time on this. In the end I didn’t know what to think of TAL‘s tale or TAL himself. I hope he has gone to the proper authorities if what he says did indeed happen, and he feels he saw something that could help the Gilgo Beach case. That’s on him. I welcome him back anytime if he has more to add. I want to thank my reader for bringing this all to my attention. I’d also like to thank Sabra for not only reading my blogs and the comments (the comments are the best part), but for posting a link to the Crime Watchers thread. I hope you and any others who find their way here from the thread stay and read. Feel free to comment too, I swear they don’t all end up in posts like this. But it seemed the time to deal with this comment and I thank all of you who helped it come about. I still leave it on each of you to decide whether this is something worth discussing  or to leave it alone. I hope this helps with that decision in someway.

Now back to Dorothy and Trump. When we last left off, Dorothy was reporting me to the DOJ (see little twists, but the same old shit). From there she got quite nasty:

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If anyone out there still reading can’t see why I continue to write posts like these, well, look at my inspiration. She say’s I “claim to be a minister just like gang bang Nate Parker does”. WTF?!? What kind of stretch is that to get her delusions across? Remember it, because it’s gonna come up again in a minute. She calls me a drug addict, not true. She says I’m connected to parties at Joseph Brewer’s house, also not true. She wrote that I claim to have grown up in Cali, raised by a single mom, my friend’s mom was killed by a serial killer, that I have 7 kids, first one born when I was 16 or 17 (a week before my 17th birthday, to be exact). It is true I have said all that before, not all in one place, but yes I have “claimed” all this, and more importantly, it’s all true. And fuck you Dorothy for trying to throw in some of my personal stuff, especially my Mom, friends, and kids. You should know by now how that get’s to me, and well, here we are with another long post (over 3 thousand words right now) that didn’t have to be if you could just curb your school girl crush on me. You see, I was reading all these new things you (Dorothy) were writing about me to my wife. She couldn’t believe your obsession was still so strong with me (see, she’s smart enough to see how things really are). She said, ” You should write a post and call it ‘Still Crushing'”. I thought it was a great idea. Thanks Sassy!

Best part was when she says I use a voice-changer device to sound African-American. Damn, she worries a lot about me sounding “African-American”.  That to will come up again in the next part.

Dorothy ended her “zero rant” on Americans For Trump with this:

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Which is where this post began. I could end it here, by saying something like:

No Dorothy, the Feds have not arrested me, and unfortunately for you the blog still goes on… for at least a little longer.

But there is something more important that needs to be said here. Because, to be honest, and I usually am, I can care less what Dorothy writes about me on a Trump page. It’s kind of ingenious in a way, get me waisting (spelled wrong) my time with people who I clearly will clash with. I doubt Dorothy put that much thought in it though. She’s the type of delusional individual who would support Trump and I’m guessing, Americans For Trump is just another place she goes.  And everywhere she goes she has to mention me. The problem is that she doesn’t just go to places like Americans For Trump, she goes to places like Shannan Gilbert’s FB Memorial page or other open cases out on social media hoping for prayers and helpful tips and instead getting Dorothy.

I recently posted about one of these places that Dorothy has now attached herself to:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/FindJenniferKesse/

This is a page on Facebook set up to help find a missing person, and as I posted before, Dorothy declared war on my blog in the comments of this site:

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Yes, this is where Dorothy is just beyond fucked up and shows just how far she’s willing to go to stalk me (like that Dorothy, I added that sentence just for you). Screwing with another open case,  messing with people who are hurt and hoping for answers, and she uses me and my blogs to do it. Yes, beyond fucked up. And she wrote more since then. But before we get to that and end this post (I know it’s a long one, thank you for sticking with it), we are going to pull back the curtain for a third time:

I did not find the “Help Find Missing Jennifer Kesse” page on my own. Again someone sent me a message:

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Someone on the Jennifer Kesse page had seen Dorothy’s comments, Googled her name and found my blog. She was worried enough about Dorothy’s sudden interest and unusual tactics that she took a chance and contacted me on Facebook to tell me about it:

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I of course told her just how crazy I thought Dorothy was. I told her that it wouldn’t be long before Dorothy wrote about me and sure enough this new reader soon would write me to tell me about the “war declaration” Dorothy left on the page. I couldn’t help it I had to write a post, not just to defend myself. not just because I wanted to try to help the page see the trouble of letting Dorothy continue there, but because this new reader had written me and asked for my help. She felt helpless in stopping Dorothy:

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So yes I wrote a post:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/dorothy-declares-war/

Did it help? I think most of us know the answer to that. A few people on the page said they were gonna block her after reading my post, but if you go there you will see Dorothy is all over it still, and many people are discussing things with her (Dorothy) like she really knows what she is talking about. This could be because that page is plagued with all sorts of people even nuttier sounding than Dorothy. Crazy psychics feuding over what they can and can’t prove. I feel sorry for the people running the page, I know this is not the intentions they made it for. But there is not much more I can do about it. I wrote a post explaining it all and Dorothy is still allowed to make comments like this:

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There she is, bringing up Nate Parker again (I haven’t googled it yet, and I’m guessing he’s not a nice guy). Saying that I sound African-American, AGAIN. And ONCE AGAIN telling the internet how I attacked her “relentlessly”. This post will be seen as an attack as well, I’m sure. But I just am trying to show you all how dangerous getting involved with Dorothy can be. And this comment should hit it all the way home:

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Damn, Cristin, Dorothy brings you up more than I do. Most of us know Dorothy is talking about Danny Boy, MM7’s husband. Most also know MM7 worked quite a bit with Dorothy at one time. And yes Cristin (MM7), Dorothy is mentioning you on a missing persons page, saying you might “sing” to the feds about you ex-husband. I’m sure both you (Cristin) and your friendly, ex-husband love how she (Dorothy) carelessly threw out the phrase “sex trafficking”.

See? Dangerous!

I swear to you, this is where this post would have ended, should have ended (It’s longer than most short stories). But when I sat down to write it the other day I realized I had some new private messages from Dorothy. Yep, while I was planning this post, Dorothy, out of the blue sends me a message. That’s just how it works sometimes. Dorothy still sends me private messages on Facebook from time to time, though I haven’t answered her there for years. Here was another I wasn’t gonna reply to:

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Damn, that is a good question though. Way to deep to get into now. You don’t want to have to read another four thousand words or so on why we all wear masks to hide our true selves. Yea I didn’t think so. But I did like the timing of this message, it was right after I posted a “voting selfie” on Facebook and Twitter:

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Yep, I was wearing a mask. But that mask is a inside joke, well more of a running gag.  Glad to know that you are still watching my every move Dorothy. It sets you up for a very big fall when I finally bring an end to this all.You’ll see.

I got another private message from Dorothy soon after that one, this one a little more to the point:

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There ya go Cristin, man I hope you are reading all of this. One more time Dorothy writes about some snuff video I embedded somewhere. And you Cristin, found it, do I have that right? Please, one of you crazy ladies put an end to this lie. Something if true, you should be able to prove easily enough. But it’s not, just more dangerous lies Dorothy is allowed to say over and over again. And some of you listen to her. How bright you all are. Sorry if that sounds arrogant. But I told ya, working with Dorothy is not wise.

And that’s where we will end this post.

Let It Snow!

Snow has returned to the blog. I get so giddy inside when I pull up The Blog and see the white flakes falling in front of the blog background of Zero’s world. It’s just so festive.

It’s also nice to see lots of new readers. For those of you who have found this place because of the new series on A&E, “The Killing Season”, I’d like to welcome you and hope you continue reading for a while now that you have found us.  I plan to cover quite a few things from the show as well as discuss my own conversations with Rachel and Josh in future posts. I have watched all 6 episodes so far and am eagerly waiting the rest. The show is very thorough in my opinion. One of the best I have seen on what I call The LISK Onion. I have noticed quite a few other out there think so as well. But I’m a little puzzled at some of those out there commenting on how good the show is, because these same people have said my blogs are  terrible and I should stop wasting (spelled right) my time, etc. Not that I mind, you all know I love my haters. But really (and I have said this before) I don’t get it. People praise places like Websleuths and shows like Killing Seasons but dump all over my blogs, when we all have covered a lot of the same things. Hackett, Brewer, Bisset, LISK.com, AC4, New Mexico, Florida, Neal Falls,  Serial Killer Truckers, Flukeyou (You’ll be happy to know Junior, that since you were on The Killing Season, the Flukeyou posts are getting record views!). Yes, I have written about most of the same things and yet I’m the bad guy while all these others are searching for truth and keeping the case alive.

Oh well, they don’t call me Zero for nothing.

Still, I hope everyone continues reading for a little while longer (at least ’till the snow stops falling), I think you will find quite a few interesting posts coming up. If I am going to bring this blog to some kind of end, there is much that we need closure on. And all though I really don’t care what people think of me (O.K. that’s not entirely true. We say things like that, but deep down we do care what people think about us. So deep down I’m no different. But on the surface “I Just Don’t Give A Fuck”), I would like to explain fully why I continued to blog about the people and subjects covered in all 3 of my blogs. Why I felt it was important to continue to write about Fluke, Dorothy, and The LISK Onion.

Lots to get to, so I better get to it. Again I hope you all will stay with me for a little longer, new readers, those there from the beginning, friends, haters, sleuthers, gamers, Fluke, Dorothy,Jen, Cristin, Nerd, The exiles, and yes, even you Nancy. I used to say “we’re just getting started”, well, we are past all of that now. We are ready to finish.

Until then… Let It Snow!

Any Last Words? Part 2

It’s been a while since we all heard about Mari’s death and I said there would be a week of silence on the blog. Much more than a week has passed by, in fact a whole season has gone. Summer became Fall and Fall is half way through.

I recently wrote on here,  “the longer I stay away from the blog, the easier it is not to return”, and that keeps getting truer and truer. I like writing here and interacting with all the different readers (well most of you) but just letting go of all the madness that circles this blog and enjoying life these last few months has started me thinking towards ending the blog all together. I’m sure this won’t come to much surprise, I mean did anyone really expect it to go on longer than 3 years?

The problem is, even when the blog is quiet the nut gallery keeps on yapping. Dorothy declared war on the blog a few weeks back, I have to admit that brought a smile to my face. Some of you might have seen Fluke returned to let me know the blog sucks, thank you Fluke, coming from you that means a lot. I noticed some of the exiles like Susie S., Candyce B., and Crictin K. came out of hiding to say a few words about Mari, I don’t have anything to say about that, that was totally expected. In fact I expected many of the exiles to resurface and have things to say now that Mari is gone. I expected it, was worried about it, and saw it happen. I was a little surprised to see how many quickly turned on Mari, but I knew that would come too. Even her attorney who used to say how strong of a woman Mari was, and what a great mother she was, quickly changed his tune, accusing Mari of child neglect and mental illness. Comments flying around about Mari being into witchcraft and arguments on the difference of black and white magic…. more of the crap the LISK case does not need.

A few have come to me asking my feelings on John Ray and I was not kind with my words. More than ever the guy seems like a snake to me. But I have had more time to think about it, and maybe he is just trying to help the Gilbert family in any way he can now. Maybe he is just trying to do right by Mari and Shannan by saving Sarra. I don’t know, and it’s really not for me to pass judgment. The Gilbert’s have had too much tragedy in their lives, I’ve said that many times before, and I don’t want to be part of any hurtful words towards them. I think most of my readers understand that and know of my careful skirting around when it comes to the Gilberts. That hasn’t changed with Mari’s death, in fact it’s only made it harder. I don’t want to be writing about any of this, but the time has come to stop putting a new post off or just stop posting. And I’m just not quite at the latter yet.

Still I will not judge or question any of the Gilberts and I know that puzzles some of my readers. Yes, many of us have questioned about mental states of the family and if this played into them connecting to others with questionable mental state. We have all long ago seen that connection in the interactions between the Gilberts and those like Dorothy, Joey, Jen, Candyce, Cristin, and the list goes on and on. Questions of bi-polar and schizophrenia as well as other mental illness surrounds them all. But these are things long ago known, and I don’t see the purpose to pounce on it all now. I still strongly feel hurt and sorrow for the Gilberts, they have suffered a lifetime of tragedy and therefore I can understand (in some way) the reasons they go about things or the mental instability that comes with such tragedies. I just wish it didn’t affect the Gilgo Beach case the way it has and does. But I don’t lay that blame on the Gilberts. That goes right down the line bouncing back and forth between the Jens and Cristins and ends right at the top of crazy with Flukeyou and Dorothy.

Can you tell I’m struggling with this post? I’m this close to deleting all that I’ve written so far…

Look, I agree that things like the Shannan Facebook memorial and Mari’s blog have let questionable people get involved with lies and misdirection. I think some of those who joined Mari on the vigils and marches on Oak Beach have done great damage to the case and hurt the lives of innocent people. Yes, it’s a mess but I don’t see how blaming the Gilberts or shinning spotlights on their tragic home life will help solve the LISK case nor stop all the nuts who pushed their ways into it all.

I’d like to think Mari is with Shannan and all that tragedy and heart ache between them has dissolved, giving way to pure love, forgiveness, and an eternity of happiness. I hope they await us all someplace where all the questions and pain of life’s hardness are forgotten.

Still I know the questions for all of us live on, and many will continue to search for answers and some will continue to spread lies to confuse the rest of us. The question is will this blog be a part of it any more?

If this is to be the last year of the blog, at the very least I owe my readers the best “ta da” I can.

So… any last words… any one?

Cristin? Some public apologies maybe?

Jen? I actually contacted Jen a short while ago to question her on something Mari had told me about Jen. Jen, of course denied it and questioned my purpose for contacting her. Classic Jen. By the way Jen, I know you are talking to people, I hope you are keeping to the truth and not some made up “cloak and dagger” shit.

Candyce? Susie? Any thing to say? Doubt it. Not under those names at least.

Nerd? I know you are still out there. End some of the confusion, I know you can.

Joey? I know you have some last words, but it will just be the same old shit.

Websleuthers? Where ya at? I’m looking forward to some of the things you all have to say. I doubt you will like what I have to say about all of you.

Nancy? Just kidding, no last words needed from you. In fact I beg you… keep it on your Facebook.

Dorothy? Nothing you can say will ever make up for all the crap you have said and done. But if you have any last words, get ’em out, because you know I will have plenty of last words for you.

That goes for everyone really. Truthspider, Son of Man, Dawhoda, Gino, Mr. Harvard, Radionewz, Julia, Michelle McKee, PS149…

Any last words?

Now’s the time.

Shit List

I am truly trying to get to a post about the article in Honeysuckle Magazine, UG, and the CCC. But when a new jackass makes my shit list, well, this blog takes a detour.

Jason Edwards… come on down!

In my last post I mentioned the comment left my Mr. Edwards on the Shannan FB Memorial Page:

smg page not hackett

And as any rational human being can see, the Dr. Hackett in Mr. Edwards link is not the same Dr. Hackett who lived in Oak Beach. I wondered out loud on my post if Mr. Edwards was just so naive he could not see his mistake or if this was done on purpose. I also wondered out loud how many out there were purposely trying to confuse the internet with misinformation on the LISK case.

Well when it comes to Jason Edwards… I think we have our answer.

Mr. Edwards posted his comments on the wrong Dr. Hackett almost a month ago, and no one on the page corrected him. Well, that was until the day before yesterday, when Donna decided to correct him.

Many of you know Donna as a reader and commenter here on the ZW. So again, no one from the page corrected him… it took one of us, the few still out here trying to make sense of the crazy people who have hijacked the LISK case to say something. And although Donna must be used to how these nuts react by now, I bet she wasn’t expecting such a nasty reply from this jack ass. Shall we take a peek?

d and john on smg fb1

Just as I thought, the whole thing seems like a set up… put out false info, wait for one of us (the very few of us) still willing to correct false info and show the nuts for what they are, and then attack!

Yep, so many nuts out there that played this game… Dorothy, Cristin, Nancy, Jen, and Joey, just to name a few. And as my blog shows, there are other nuts out there doing the same shit with other open cases and social issues. And quite a few of them have made my shit list throughout the past 3 years.

Mr. Harvard posted his link in a couple of places on the “Praying for Shannan Maria Gilbert” page, and Donna tried to correct both places:

d and john on smg fb

WTF? I think Donna handled it very nicely… and Jason Edwards should have thanked her and removed his links… but nope… attacks! Again, I hate to use Dorothy’s words… because we all know we can just stay out of the nut gallery and not have to read the crap they put out there about us or anyone else. So we are not victims, well at least I’m not (I should only speak for myself, sorry about that). But that is an attack. And a dumb one when Mr. Harvard is so plainly wrong:

Hey jackass (yea no more Mr. Nice Guy) the Doc you linked is Dr. Peter Hackett, the Doc in Oak Beach is Dr. Charles Peter Hackett. Get it smart guy? Harvard…LOL! Man, I bet you graduated at the bottom of your class.  Shall we take a closer look at this new nut?

jason edwards

You know, there are 3 others on my shit list who come from the Massachusetts… Dorothy, Cristin, and Danny (I bet Danny Boy doesn’t know he is on my shit list… but you can’t threaten to shove a computer up my ass and expect to be left off the list, lol). I wonder if they are all connected in some way? We know Cristin and Danny were married and that Cristin worked closely with Dorothy on all sorts of things. Maybe this nut isn’t connected… but I have learned, that all these nuts have had some sort of encounter on the internet at some time or another. Funny, they all think they were “attacked” by this blog or people who read and comment on this blog. So Jason Edwards is connected at least in way of fucked up thinking.

I need to point out, that Donna telling you to do some research before posting something like that, is not an attack… you obviously needed to do some research before posting such slanderous links to people who have nothing to do with what you are implying.  Oh and research:

reserch

If you went to Harvard you should know what research is.  Also, the things you said back to Donna were attacks. I see it that way, and I’m sure anyone not hanging out on the far side of right would as well.

So Mr. Crazy Harvard Guy… your link was as far from right as it gets… I mentioned that in the last post. Donna was just trying to be nice and hope to stop the nuts out there from misusing your misinformation. If you cared about the case or anyone involved in it, I would think you would not want the nuts to misuse your misinformation as well.

But it seems, you are a little bit nutty yourself and would rather start some comment feud on a FB memory page, when again, all you had to do was say, “my bad” and remove your link.

Well you got what you wanted.

 

By the way… I don’t listen to the Grateful Dead… awkward!

Michelle McKee Part 2

Not long after my last post a few weeks ago, Michelle McKee had tweeted something like “Don’t post your blog on your enemies site, because that let’s them see how many readers you have. Or should I say don’t have.” I’m paraphrasing because I can’t see the exact tweet any longer because that Twitter account is gone. This happens a lot on Twitter.

Since my last post was about McKee, it would be easy to feed into the madness and say that her Tweet must have been about Zero’s World and therefore her twitter being gone has to do with my Mckee post… lol… I’m not gonna do that though. Her tweet was for Deric aka KY (lol, I used to giggle whenever I saw his screen name… I know… I’m juvenile) and I’m sure her twitter being gone has something to do with all that as well.

McKee probably never even saw my other post and probably won’t read this one either. I don’t blame anyone for ignoring me… it’s a very rational thing to do. In fact I almost wasn’t gonna write this post, I was just gonna move on, lord knows there is plenty of other things to get to and I’m dragging my feet as usual.

Yes, who cares, skip it, move on.

But it said “to be continued…”

How many other post end with “to be continued” or hint to a continuing post and go nowhere? Don’t answer that, it was rhetorical. But there are way to many.

Plus McKee said I should “catch up while shutting the fuck up”:

mk tweet1

With McKee’s Twitter being gone, “shutting the fuck up” is all hers. Don’t worry, she’ll be back, if she doesn’t already have another twitter account. In the meantime… let’s all catch up. My way of course… so pay attention, I don’t want to lose anyone important.

Don’t know who Michelle McKee is? You should probably just skip this post then… but if you are curious… this is where to start:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/anonymous-rape-steubenville-rehtaeh-parsons-oprollredroll-opjustice4rehtaeh?page=1

Here are the 3 of them together before it would all go bad:

Michelle McKee, her blogger friend Alexandria Goddard aka Prinnie, and the subject of the tweets that brought me back into discussing them all again… Deric Lostutter aka KYAnoymous (giggle).

If you do not know of the Steubenville Rape Case, hit your google and read up on it. It is a tragic story. I have written about it in other posts but don’t plan to get to deep into it in this post. What happened there was tragic and I’m sure many think the 3 mentioned above are heroes for making the case national news. At one time at least. Because things got very muddy. Again, not gonna get to deep into all that. But things got out of control that’s for sure.

I’m sure some of you are asking, how did I come to follow the whole saga. Well that would be thanks to MM7, which as I said in part 1 of this 2 part post ( I don’t think it will become a trilogy post… but who knows? Trilogies are always best in my opinion… but you all know that), MM7 and McKee were friends of some sort (I think they know each other from the Casey Anthony case and possibly Websleuths…. everyone seems to have come from Websleuths at some point… you all have been there… right?)

But it is this tweet that got the ball rolling:

CK drone tweet

The red graffiti on the tweet is by Murt, who claims someone from anonymous (what an oxymoron that is, “someone from anonymous”, if not an oxymoron then something just as screwy, because who the fuck is really anonymous? Any one who claims to be right… well as long as you have you Guy Fawkes mask) sent him the tweet.

Now I should stop here to let the uninformed know that this guy Murt (who I know many online do not like and think he’s quite creepy) has had an online feud with Michelle McKee for years and years and years.

I should also point out, that long after all this MM7 admitted the drone she found in her yard probably belonged to her then husband’s friend, who was living in their guest house, (yes, she told me this, meaning that, like I said many times, everyone seemed to like messing with MM7). I don’t know when MM7 came to the relegation that the drone did not belong to her”self created” stalker, but we all know at the time she relentless that this toy proved she was being stalked and now that she had tweeted to McKee about it, McKee didn’t skip a beat getting Murt involved.

In return MM7 didn’t skip a beat making Murt the star of her defunct blog:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/murt-the-stalker/

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/just-when-i-thought/

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/you-be-the-judge/

Murt didn’t skip a beat making MM7 the star of his own “stalker playing victim” blog:

http://murtwitnessone.com/?s=drone

Radio didn’t skip a beat jumping in on all of it:

http://radionewz.net/2013/05/has-murtwitnessone-been-outed-as-being-in-a-sex-trafficking-ring/

Let me stop once more to say that I’ have blogged about most of this in other posts and you can find them all by clicking on different tags or categories you see connected to this post. The good thing about it all coming back up though is that I can add and update things. Like show you the actual emails between MM7 and Murt:

murt first email to mm7

murt email to mm7

For some reason Murt wrote MM7 twice… but I doubt he would have written at all if he knew what the reply would be:

mm7 reply to murts email

Yea, I bet he wanted to take his emails right back… or maybe not… Murt is a strange guy to say the least and he is attracted to the back ‘n forth. Regardless he replied:

murt second email to mm7

And with that they were all off to the races. It led all the way to Murt being the subject of a certain blog:

https://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/murt-many-names-many-agendas/

Before we go on I have to mention that when I went back to look at old posts I made on all this there are “links” that don’t go through any more. This is something I notice from time to time when reading my old posts, and this sucks. Sometimes the places I have linked just are no longer there, other times they may have been removed from people who don’t want me linking them here. It’s frustrating though, because I know what that is like reading at old places like “Catching LISK” and “LISK.com”. There are all sorts of “links” that no longer take you to where they once did. And that is the internet for ya. So since we are going back over all this, just in case the “link” to the Flukeyou post on Radionewz above doesn’t go anywhere or you are just to lazy to go click it… here is the post:

flukeyou on radio

Here is the 5 comments that go with this post:

comments radio fu1

comments radio fu2

That is definitely MM7, but as she comments, it’s probably not Fluke Boy Joey, and the Truthspider is probably also not really Truthspider at least not the Brendan Murphy one. Which is quickly demonstrated in a post supposedly written by Truthspider:

truthspider post on radio

And here is the 4 comments that went with the post:

comments radio spider1

comments radio spider2

comments radio spider3

MM7, once again letting us know these are not really Truthspider and Flukeyou (I wonder if that is the real Mockingbird, you know from Websleuths, yes I’m very curious about that). So these posts were just someone at Radio keeping the beat going… nothing wrong with that, right?

Keeping the beat going is what we all have in common. I wonder if MM7 ever realized that her friend McKee got her involved with people who were really making fun of her in a way. Yes, to me it seemed Radionewz was making fun of MM7 as much as they were Murt. If you read Radionewz enough, you get the feeling they think that about all those they write about. Yes, like this place in a way… but I lump myself right into it all, I admit I’m no better, well at least not much better… I’m not sure Radio does this… nor does Michelle, Murt, or MM7 for that matter. Ugh… 3 M’s.

They all think they are the sane ones and those out there playing the “back ‘n’ forth” with them are obviously crazy. And I agree… lol. Am I contradicting myself again? Sorry… it’s unavoidable.

I talk about parallel lines a lot, and I have to say, I see them here in 3 different groups connected by 3 crazy ladies (man, that comment might get me in trouble). McKee and her buddies Prinnie and KY (the 3 avenging angels turned 3 stooges) worked together, supposedly to help someone who had been victimized. Later they all turned on each other and accused the others of betrayal.

McKee then connects to MM7 who we all know was part of a group who worked together supposedly to help someone who had been victimized (in this case it was the victims and families of the victims in the LISK case). Later they all turned against each other and accused the others of betrayal.
MM7 then connects to Dorothy Price Hill who was part of the whole Lawless America/Bill Windsor group who worked together to supposedly help someone who had been victimized (in this case it was the countless lemmings wronged by out corrupt court system). Later they all turned against each other and accused the others of betrayal.
Yes, parallel lines. And almost all of them end in lawsuits or threats of lawsuits.

See, all very entertaining like I said. And, also like I said, very predictable… “the beat goes on”.

But Michelle McKee disagrees and just wants me to “catch up while shutting the fuck up”.

So are we all caught up? McKee, Prinnie, and KY got together to go against the evils of Steubenville. Some say questionable tactics were used by the 3 of them (parallel lines), which also brought the group Anonymous into, once again, questionable light. I’m not trying to start a fight with Anonymous, I have said before, the idea of Anonymous is beautiful to me, but in the whole of things, because anyone and everyone can be Anonymous, the fights they chose and the tactics they use are often questioned. And it isn’t getting any better for the group… the last 2 big operations against Trump and ISIS haven’t done a whole lot… the last I check both are still thriving. I’m just saying, maybe Anonymous needs to take a good look at itself… if that’s at all possible. “Itself” is a question on its own when it comes to Anonymous.

I got sidetracked… sorry.

McKee, Prinnie, and KY, under all the pressure, self destruct in a way and turn against each other. Which you can see played out in the posts of Radionewz way back in 2013, take a look:

http://radionewz.net/2013/10/michelle-mckee-to-subpoena-all-of-steubenville-rhinaman-goes-almost-hollywood/

This is from October 2013 and begins:

radio on mckee suepenas

See? Entertaining, ironic, funny, sad… all the things I said and more. In case you don’t see… this is about McKee planning to subpoena everyone in Steubenville back in 2013 and right now, the thing McKee want’s me to catch up on, the thing everyone is mad at KY about (now), is that KY is subpoenaing them all:

mckee sepeona

Yes, Michelle… you are your own worst enemy, we all are. There are some interesting comments on that Radio post:
comment radio on mckee lunatic

There, my crazy comment isn’t so far off then, right?  And I couldn’t agree more with Anita Sedative… clean up your own backyard before going into others… I say this all the time, don’t I… glass houses and all that? What else was said in the comments?

comments from radio on mckee meltdowns

Ahhh… good stuff. Want more?

http://radionewz.net/2013/10/michelle-mckee-now-blames-a-prinnies-doe-for-feeding-info-to-kyanonymous/

Lots of good comments in that one… way to many for me to snip… so you’ll have to click on the link and read for yourself (if the link still works whenever you read this).

Here’s 3 good ones I had to snip:

radio mckee anonymous

radio mckee ecorcisom

radio drunk mckee tweets1

radio drunk mckee tweets2

radio drunk mckee tweets3

Can I get a “Wow Bob Wow”?

In the comments of Michelle McKee Part 1, the subject of whether radio takes things too far came up… that’s up to the individual I guess… I’m sure McKee felt they did back then. Just as KY seems to think others took it to far now. I’m sure they all think I take things too far. And maybe I do. Then again maybe I just go where it’s taken. Again, that’s up to the individual.

I myself like reading at Radionewz and this blog is highly influenced from me reading there. They even summed this all up much simpler than the Frankenstein Monster you just read:

http://radionewz.net/2016/03/does-the-stuebenville-drama-ever-end/

radio new post1

radio new post2

Great post. Glad it was all summed up… I guess my own post really isn’t needed. Damn, another waisted 2110 words.

But since we took this journey to “catch up” (and we are really caught up now) I have to ask:

Was my tweet really so far from the mark?

Let’s look at it again:

zw tweet to radio and mk

I find it quite acceptable and right on the mark.

I have to stop… there isn’t much more to say… alright there’s always plenty more to say, but those eggs ain’t gonna color themselves.

Caught up and now shutting the fuck up… for now at least… again… trilogies are always the best!

The End?

Things We Are Not Gonna Talk About

Wow… it’s been a busy couple weeks.

Been very busy in RL, but also in blog stuff… it’s just been all off-blog, blog stuff.

I wonder if that sentence is a clear one… often when I’m writing I forget that just because I understand what I’m writing, doesn’t mean it’s understood by those who read what I have written.

I’ve said it before, part of that is because sometimes some things I write are meant for certain people to understand… certain readers. Also somethings will get different understanding by different readers. If you don’t understand that, it’s probably meant for someone else… lol. Besides, that’s not what I’m talking about… I’m talking about things I write that are from me, so of course I know what I mean… but it may not be so clear to the reader… I try not to do that… but narcissist… remember? Sometimes (all the time) I’m writing for me… and it just picks up a couple of you lovely readers for some reason. I apologise for my occasional lack of explanation. LMFAO… like I don’t over explain everything… so here we go…

Off-Blog means things from the blog discussed off the blog… in emails… social media… phone calls… and texts. These discussions can be with a reader, a commenter, or a blog subject (most of the time it’s a 3-in-1). It may also mean actions that happen off the blog by a reader, commenter, or blog subject… including me… I read, comment and am often a blog subject. So easy enough… Off-Blog just means blog related stuff happening off the blog.

What else in that sentence… oh yea, RL… it stands for Real Life… and IL is Internet Life, they come right from this blogs title, and yet I know there are quite a few people who don’t know what they meant.

That’s something I totally get. When I was first reading around LISK.com and Catching LISK the abbreviations drove me crazy. I’d be reading back and forth trying to remember what each one was, or who they were. So when someone asked me (Off-Blog) the other day what CPH and CKB were, I had to laugh a little. They are initials, but more importantly, they make it a lot faster to type out names. Still I know it can be hard to understand to a new reader. You have to chase back and forth to see where the initials came from and who they belong to. Because of my memory of how frustrating that was for me… I try to use full names near places I am using a lot of initials (of course they are not all initials of people, there are abbreviations and acronyms used that are not names of people, but most of the time they are names of people) I try to use the full name near it so you don’t have to search to far.

For example… I may use SOM a lot because it’s easier and faster to type out SOM then Son of Man… but I will still take the time to type out Son of Man a few times just so you don’t get to lost when you see SOM written instead.

And SOM is one of the 3 things we are not gonna talk about (great segue, huh?).

I know many of you still don’t know who SOM is, and since we are not gonna talk about him, I guess you still won’t know who he is. But to explain why we are not gonna talk about him, we have to talk about him… just a little.

SOM came to the ZW Facebook  quite a while ago, back when Nan Nan was still everywhere. We talked Off-Blog about my Cicada posts, but like Nancy, he seemed to like to turn disagreements or questions of their sometimes paranoid statements as proof I was a stalker of some sort and trying to trick them. There’s a lot more to it of course, but I’m trying not to talk about it, which I’m finding very hard to do while I’m talking about it. Point is, the reason most of you don’t know much about SOM is because I chose not to blog about him or entertain him in his nice guy/crazy guy routine… and he went on his way. As you long-time readers know, eventually Nancy went away as well, but it took a little time because Dorothy was in her ear… spreading her disease.

So life would have gone on without us ever having to talk about SOM (or not talk about him, I’m a little confused now, I better get to the point of the point) except of course… he returned. At first he was playing all nice, had a few discussions OFF-Blog about the Gnostic Gospels I enjoyed, but I knew that change would come and it did.

All of a sudden, I am a stalker again, though once again, someone had to come stalk me to tell me about it. Then Linda and Donna are attacked just for trying to set the poor guy straight. Yes attacked, learn the real meaning of the word Dorothy, it’s what you nuts do to others on the internet, not what you think is being done to you, which is people putting you nuts in your proper place. And that proper place is far from the internet.

Whoa, got a little carried away there.

OK, I calmed back down, lol… now what was I not talking about? Oh yea…

I still didn’t want to blog too much about SOM, again, he reminds me of Nancy way too much and I just feel he’d be better off without the internet interactions that always seems to be stalking in their mind. It’s like negative attention is at least attention and they so desperately need it. But he was relentless, posting all over the ZW Facebook page all sorts of crap (at one point saying I was a transsexual clown). I quickly started to see a new likeness between Nan Nan and SOM… Dorothy Price Hill (DPH if you didn’t know).

Some of SOM’s comments made me think, like Nan Nan, he had Dorothy in his ear about me… something he made even clearer with comments like these:

som dph life to blog

som richard dorothy kids 42

Yep, I think DPH got to SOM.

But since these are up, let’s get the age right. I was 42 three years ago… in fact it was discussed in my very first real post here on WordPress:

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/42/

I say first “real” post, because my actual first post was this:

my first post

Man, how right that post turned out to be.

You also see SOM decided to follow in many other of my “stalkers crying stalker” and decided to use the “R” word, something long time readers knows is a no-no here on the ZW… lol.

At this point I was itching so bad to make a post about all of this but just didn’t want to go down that Nan Nan road again. Plus I was trying to write a post on the then upcoming Iowa Caucus. Which I never did get to. In fact I just deleted the one paragraph I did write… Iowa’s done… New Hampshire only a few days away… we’ll get back into all that soon enough, still plenty of time to talk politics before we get to the finish line.

Still, SOM was all over the ZW Facebook saying all sorts of crap. I thought maybe a time out would calm him down… so I banned him from the ZW (Zero’s World) Facebook.

Long time readers may remember I have only banned 2 people from the ZW Facebook, Dorothy and Nancy. Both were for a short period, and both have long ago been unbanned. So that made SOM the third person to have to be banned… but it didn’t calm him down, only started him making posts about me on his own Facebook page. Some messed up stuff too, all along calling me a stalker, even though I was doing all I could not to blog about him and believe me, I had posts lined up in my head.

Well, after a few days of SOM littering his Facebook with comments about me I decided, fuck it, let’s do this, and I was gonna blog about all of it.

Then I guess SOM had a moment of clarity and realized he was behaving rather stalkerish and removed everything he had been writing about me on his Facebook.

Well, alright, that takes care of that… no need to not talk about it anymore… but since we kind of are, there a couple of real funny things SOM posted about me, that I have to clear up. Because even though they were really funny, and I enjoyed them very much, they just aren’t true.

som 0 women

I am not a musician. I never learned an instrument and I can’t sing, no matter how much I love to do it. I do tend to still have groupies though… so point taken.

som cnn meme

This is my favorite one. It has a threat of turning me into a meme, great idea! And a threat of turning me into CNN, another great idea!

But I have to be honest here, SOM wanted to let CNN know I was in Anonymous , which very well could be true, anyone with a Guy Fawkes mask can be Anonymous… but as any long time reader here knows, that is why I wear the mask from time to time. I’m not in Anonymous… I wear it to show anyone can have a Guy Fawkes mask… it don’t make them a hero in any way… no heroes… just zeros (I’ve been saying that a lot lately in RL, thought I’d throw it into IL as well).

I love that you like my VD video so much… but truth be told… me wearing the mask is not an endorsement of Anonymous, but more of a diss at it. So instead of reporting to CNN about me being in Anonymous, maybe you should report me to Anonymous for dissing them and wearing their mask…lol. But really I hope you do neither. I was very pleased to see you pulled all the stuff you were saying about me and this is a great place for us both to move on. I wish you nothing but luck and hope we never have to not talk about this again.

Next thing we are not talking about is John. I know many of you saw her comments and thought it could be Dorothy… I assure you it was not. In fact they don’t know Dorothy and don’t want to know Dorothy. And as much as I’d like to talk more about this (it would be nothing but good for the blog, but sometimes the stuff that happens Off-Blog has to stay Off-Blog for the better of bigger things then this blog) that is all I am gonna say (or not say) about it. I’m happy to pick up a new reader though.

Alright one last thing we are not gonna talk about. The TAL comments. If you have read them you are probably thinking “another nut with a story of seeing or knowing something”, and at first I thought the same thing. In fact I had hope NERD had returned under a new IP. Oh how I’d love that (NERD, anytime you want to drop me an email, please do). Believe it or not, so far this person checks out. Not NERD. 😦

So is their story true? Well they say it is. And I think anything about Burke is possible now. But again, we are not talking about this… though maybe we will in the future. That’s up to TAL. For those who have not seen TAL’s comment, maybe they will tell their story in the comments of this post and we can continue not talking about it there. If their story is true, then maybe this needs to be talked about. And again, they checked out. All 3 of these people we are not talking about have checked out. Real people from what I can see.  TAL seems like a good person who really just questions if they saw something important that was not taken seriously by Burke. I’ve heard these things before, people claiming to have gone to police, but the police didn’t want to listen. And maybe LE has their reasons for not listening or believing the stories. Maybe LE has good reason for saying every suspicious POI is not a POI.  But LE takes their time taking these types of cases seriously, just ask any of the victims families who tried to report their loved ones missing. I’m not trashing LE (Law Enforcement, but I think most of you can figure that one out) I’m just stating the sad truth in cases like LISK. Besides, giving Burk’s current address, LI LE (Long Island Law Enforcement, see you’re getting the hang of it) deserve a little trashing. They’ve brought on the scrutiny they will deserving get (that may be an opinion, but it sure fills like a fact). I definitely think TAL wants their story out there, that’s why they chose this blog to comment on. But I’ll leave that up to TAL.

For now, I’m gonna go find something we can talk about…

One More Time… Why

I’ve made it very clear that I enjoy any and all feed back on my blogs. Comments from the haters, the curious, the crazies, and the more informed are all welcome and make the blogs all the more interesting and informable. There are also quite a few of you that I talk with outside the blogs. Mostly in e-mails (mine is zerodinh@rocketmail.com) or on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/zerosworld/?ref=hl

But also in a few phone calls.

I love hearing from people and discussing the different subjects from the blogs. Of course most people want to talk about the LISK case and that’s fine. Some like to discus the case and others want to discus those who used the internet to manipulate the case (that might be a little too much, but then again some did manipulate it in ways). Since I spent over a year of my life looking very deeply into this subject and those involved (ie. Fluke, MM7, Jen, Dorothy, etc.) I love to discus those parts of my blogs and help in any way to explain any parts of them or answer any questions I can. I really like to hear from those who know some of these people I’ve written about and to hear their thoughts on why they are doing what they are doing.

Again, I talk to different people about different things, and really it’s the Milo/Quiet Pills posts that gets the most views, but it’s the LISK case and the leaches (too harsh… naw) who attached themselves to it that I get the most inquiries about off-blog.

And the most asked question has to be “Why do you blog about LISK and these people?” or “What made you start blogging about LISK and these people?”. Didn’t Dorothy herself ask me this long ago?

zero Fb dph1

Yes, it’s been asked hundreds of different ways, in fact dawhoda just asked it:

dawhoda why

Like I said it’s been asked a hundred different ways… and I have answered it a hundred different ways. Just in the blogs alone I explain this over and over, so some of you should just do a little more reading. But I also know we get new readers here all the time and they come across the blogs for different reasons and that is probably the first question when you see how much time I have devoted to this subject. So I’ll answer it one more time (notice I didn’t say one last time).

If you want to know how I came to blogging on the subject you have to go back to the first blog I started here on WordPress. It was called the Zero Prophet Blog or as some started calling it “The Red & Black“. I wrote a 3 part post explaining exactly how I first came to the places and people involved in the LISK circles:

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/catfish-serial-killers-part-1/

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/catfish-serial-killers-part-2/

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/catfish-serial-killers-part-3/

I was quickly pulled in to all the comments from places like LISK.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110820063936/http://longislandserialkiller.com/2011/08/message-from-the-site-admin/

and Catching LISK:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/

and decided to make a side blog. It went through a few names as I wrote it, the first was The Long Island Serial Killer and The Internet… quite a title right. I know way too much, but the internet itself was what my blogging had been about, mostly (those who have read the “Red & Black” know that it was a kind of spiritual blog, but was leaning towards our use and misuse of the internet), and since this was the first side blog from it I had intended to make it about how serial killers may be using the internet not only to find victims, but in ways to keep track of and manipulate what was being said about them online. And I did discus some of these types of things. In fact at the beginning I thought there was a good chance MM7 and others were being stalked by a serial killer online. (that’s another question I get asked a lot, do I really believe a serial killer stalked any of these sites including mine, the simple answer is no. I don’t think the serial killer wrote here or any of my other blogs, or on MM7’s blog. I’m not so sure they never wrote on LISK.com or Websleuths, and if they didn’t write there I’m sure they read there. They could be reading this now. I doubt it, but you never know). That quickly changed though, like almost immediately (right about drone time). I quickly started to doubt all of it (and with good reason) and that changed the blog, actually changed both blogs. But this was even more down the line of what I was trying to blog about. People using the internet for nefarious reasons (that fits, right?), and as I continued to blog I continued to pull back layers of so strange onion (I’ve used this metaphor before to describe it, and it really does fit best).

That blog itself went through 3 changes all marked with disclaimers. The first part was just me and what I thought on things (it’s wrong in a lot of areas, but with all the games that were being played, that should be understandable), the second part I had started to talk to MM7, Jen, and others and really started questioning what was being said to me and in comments all over the internet. the third part is where i really dug in and started talking to everyone I could, mostly people who were part of LISK.com in anyway, since that was what the blog really became about, LISK.com and those who commented there. Which is why I changed the name of it to LISK.com Another Look:

https://liskdotcom.wordpress.com/

The more of that onion I peeled back, the curiouser I got. that’s the simple answer, and I believe I said it before, it is my curiosity that mostly brought me to all of this and kept me blogging about all this (long after the ending the LISK blog). My first question was the same… WHY? But if that’s not enough, and you need more of an explanation… there are plenty of other places to read it:

https://liskdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/for-any-new-readers/

https://liskdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/for-what-its-worth/

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2014/04/06/longislandserialkiller-com/

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/my-name-is-zero-so-nice-to-meet-you/

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/chronicles-of-crazy/

I’m sure there are more, but you get the idea.

 

 

 

 

The JBs Of LISK

I started this post a while back, after the news of John Bittrolff’s arrest. I found all the JBs floating around  the LISK case curious. I started to shy away from LISK related posts though, so this post and a few others were never finished or posted. I really wanted to just see where it was all going. The Bittrolff case keeps being pushed back, wonder if there’s good reason. But with other news finally coming to a real light, and the FBI finally getting involved in the LISK case (at least publicly) I thought I’d go back and touch up this post and actually post it:

Joseph Brewer:  Brewer was one of the last people to see Shannan Gilbert alive. He hired her through Craigslist, she spent hours at his house, leaving with him at some point, returning to Brewer’s home a short time later. Then after some confusion between Shannan, Brewer, and Shannan’s driver, Michael Pak, Shannan ran off, according to her panicked 911 call, afraid for her life.

All this alone would make Brewer a suspect in at least Shannan’s death, I would think. But he was ruled out as a suspect fairly quickly. Many find that puzzling, and I would have to agree. Besides the fact Shannan was hired by Brewer and ran from his house in fear, which I said was reason alone to keep him on the suspect list tell the case was actually solved, there are other things.

I’ve read mixed stories on Brewer both cooperating with LE and not being so cooperative. Which is correct, maybe they are both true. Maybe there are things he was not so cooperative about, and if so, again, why was he cleared so fast? He was definitely not very cooperative with Robert Kolker, the author of “Lost Girls”. In fact from my reading of the book, I got the feeling Brewer was trying to “yank” Kolker’s “chain”, I got the idea Kolker felt that way as well. Brewer tells Kolker he has information that could help, but he wants money from Kolker to explain further. Really? If he had information that could help shouldn’t he have already given it all to LE? I guess that depends on how cooperative he was.

In fact the only information he seems to have for LE or Kolker has to do with him and Shannan discussing if he runs into a lot of transsexuals when he orders up call girls online. Brewer has stated that when the subject of transsexuals came up, he started to wonder about Shannan and wanted her to leave.

All of that just doesn’t seem right to me. I don’t believe that is why Shannan ran from the house, none of what I have heard Brewer has said seems to make any sense. I’m guessing Kolker felt the same, because even though Brewer hinted that was the core to the case, Kolker did not seem to buy into it and did not spend a lot of time on Brewer’s strange transsexual link.

Which brings me back to LE. What did Brewer tell LE for them to take him off the suspect list so fast? They bought the whole transsexual discussion? There has to be more there, but from what I have seen, Brewer isn’t helping and therefore, still a suspect. Definitely suspicious.

There are lots of strange things that jump out when looking at Brewer, but the most damaging in my eyes is written in a book called “Confessions of The Oak Beach Drifter”. I own and have read this book whose author is named simply: W. When it comes to W and this book there are all sorts of things we could discuss (some even dealing with Dorothy and Cristin who both had quite a bit of contact with the author of “Confessions Of A Oak Beach Drifter”)  and maybe at a later time I will do a post dealing with this book in more detail. For now just a little back ground for those who don’t know much about it.

At some point it became public that there might have been someone staying with Brewer the night Shannan went running from his house. The news reports on this mysterious individual dubbed him a drifter and the name stuck. Some thought Hackett gave info to LE on this “Drifter” to take the heat off him, others thought it might have come from Flukeyou aka Joseph Scalise Jr. (another Oak Beach resident, but you all know Fluke) to help confuse the case even more. But after talking to the drifter myself, as well as reading different comments he has posted on the blogs and sites I’ve been to, and as I said, reading his book myself, it is clear that the Drifter believes it was Brewer who told police he (the Drifter) stayed with Brewer at the Oak Beach home. The drifter has also clearly stated that he had left the beach house before the night Shannan was there. How it was leaked to media or LE is not too important at this point, though if it was someone like Joey or Hackett, I guess it could be. Just makes sense Brewer brought up the drifter, so I’m gonna leave it at that, but as I said, this book brings up all sorts of things to be discussed.

The reason I’m bringing it up now is because of some of the things said about Brewer and the beach house by the book’s author.
In the book the author calls himself Vito (boy did Cristin and Dorothy chase that name around) the name given to Brewer is Damon. It should be noted that Damon (Brewer) is said to be someone Vito (Drifter) went to school with (“an old school buddy”) yet Damon doesn’t come into the Drifters book till page 256, chapter 59 in a book of 63 chapters. The book describes Damon (Brewer) as “a degenerate drug addict who ran into some money when his father passed away”.  Although the first 58 chapters is full of drug deals and busts, dealers and users, so it’s fair to say Vito’s circle of friends consisted entirely of the type of people Brewer is described to be. In fact the whole reason Vito and Damon get together after all these years is because Vito is hiding from drug dealers and Damon had a house on the beach Vito could stay at and hide out.

This drug dealer (who is named Mario in the book) is a main character in the book and Vito’s life from what it seems. You also learn that the reason Vito and Damon have a falling out (prompting Vito to move out of the beach house) is because Damon admits he might have let it slip out that Damon was staying with him and it got back to Mario. Mario is someone I’d love to talk about since the book states instead of coming to confront Vito once he knows where he is, he runs to Florida (they all run to Florida, don’t they?) But I don’t want to get to far off topic.

Bottom line, even though Brewer is mentioned late in the book, the book’s author definitely wants the reader to question Brewers involvement in all this. And it does seem most of it is put into the book as an afterthought. In other words the book was intended to be about Vito’s life which didn’t have much to do with Brewer, Oak Beach, or LISK. Then after what happened there (bodies found), the thought of what went on in Brewer’s beach house was questioned and brought up. There are talks of parties at the beach house and other questionable goings on there, just not part of the main story line. In fact Vito doesn’t write about anything special going on at the beach house in the chapter about him being there. he does though hint at things in the epilogue. But it is clear that drugs were a big part of Vito’s (Drifter) and  Damon’s (Brewer) life. Well that and the fact that “professional entertainment” was also a big part of it. The Drifter says all of this in his epilogue and even Brewer himself seems to admit it.

If you think about Brewer’s strange discussion of transsexuals with Shannan, Brewer is said to have said Shannan asked if he runs into transsexuals a lot. Implying to me at least that they discussed Brewer using a lot of hired “help”. I know that’s a lot of hearsay and he said she said, but sometimes that’s all we got in all of this to go by.

All I’m saying is both The Drifter and Brewer seem to admit that other call girls have been brought to that beach house and drug parties were definitely part of the scene.

All of this seems to me say that Joseph Brewer can not and should not be ruled out as a suspect, definitely he is still a POI!

The thing that really bothers me about all this, is the Drifter says he has never been questioned or approached by LE. That may have changed, but according to the last I read on it, the Drifter had yet to be questioned about any of this. According to the book he moved to Florida (like his dealer he once hid from in Oak Beach). Why wouldn’t LE want to question things written about in this book? From the tales of prostitutes and drugs to the main story of this bad guy called “Mario” who may have had reason to visit the beach house in Oak Beach.

Why wouldn’t police want to check out ALL stories surrounding Brewer and that house?

We’ll get to that question at the end of this post. We’ll have more facts to go on by then, I’m sure. But for now we have to head straight into rumor and internet speculations…

James Bissett III:

Bringing up this name generally gets 2 ideas from people.

A. Bissett is LISK, but for some reason LE does not want to go public with this information.

or

B. Bissett was going to be used as a scape goat by LE, but for some reason they couldn’t get it to stick.

Both ideas seem unlikely to me and I’ll get to my reasoning why, but as I said, when Bissett’s name is mentioned, these are the 2 most talked about ideas revolving around him.

For those who don’t know who Bissett is, he is an aquarium owner in Long Island who was found in what police called an apparent suicide not long after Shannan’s body was found.

When I first heard about Bissett I was told the whole thing was made up by Dorothy. (Dorothy actually says police killed Bissett and covered it up) Then it was hinted that Jen actually helped make the rumor of James Bissett so prominent on the internet. But the more I brought the name up, the more I started hearing a common thread. Quite a few people say that they heard from a LE friend that Bisssett was a strong suspect. I’ve been told it and I have read it, people with friends in LE claim they heard Bissett was indeed connected to LISK in some way.

So is Bissett just a rumor that the internet made larger than life, or is there something there about LE knowing more about the apparent suicide then they have let out.

The whole thing found its way into news articles:

http://archive.longislandpress.com/2012/12/16/gilgo-victims-families-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

Though most was discussed in comments like it is here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/suffolk-ny/TB5223F0NEOB01FV0/p18

There as well as other places you will find comments like these:

bissett comment

Oh those anonymous commenters.

It got so out of control that LE decided to issue a press release on the subject:

Investigators issue press release on Gilgo Internet rumors

(05/08/12) WOODBURY – Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota and the Suffolk County Police Department issued a statement this afternoon in regard to recent rumors involving a possible suspect in the Gilgo Beach murders.

The statement reads as follows:

During the past few weeks we have received hundreds of questions from members of the media about the accuracy of rumors represented on various websites regarding the solving of what is commonly referred to by the media as the Gilgo Beach murder case.

The solving of these murders has been, and will remain, a top priority for the Suffolk County Police Department and the Suffolk County District Attorney’s office. All necessary law enforcement resources are being devoted to solving this case.

As with any active investigation, the Suffolk County Police Department and the district attorney’s office should not and will not comment on who may or may not be a suspect.

Additionally, as far as updates on this investigation are concerned, neither agency will comment further at this time until we have some additional information pertaining to the investigation that serves the public or the investigation by its release.

Unfounded, anonymous internet postings or rumors about who may be a suspect should be given the appropriate weight they deserve by those who read them. It should be remembered that this type of unsubstantiated “gossip” can cause substantial harm and emotional trauma, not only to the members of the families mentioned on the internet postings, but also to the families of the victims.

While we are confident that this long, complicated, difficult investigation will eventually be brought to a successful conclusion, it will be the facts and evidence that will lead us to this conclusion and not internet rumors. “

Bissett isn’t mentioned in the statement, but from all I’ve seen it was posted because of all the rumors surrounding Bissett.

I’m still not sure what if anything Bissett’s death has to do with LISK, all I’m saying is to this day it is still discussed as if there is some kind of connection there.  Although I find it hard to see real connections. If LE had some legitimate information on Bissett’s involvement, it would have been looked into and something more would have been made public. And if LE wanted to pin it on Bissett (Dorothy’s idea that Bissett was a fall guy), then why didn’t they?

So unless there is some reason to believe LE had some reason to not solve the LISK case a Bissett connection seems very unlikely. Is there some reason? Will get there, not yet though… we have another JB that definitely seems to fit in to all this somehow…

John Bittrolff:

Now here’s a JB that actually seems to be leading somewhere. In fact he even has his own wiki article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bittrolff

I’m not going to say too much about Bittrolff (waiting and hoping something will come out of his arrest though) but it was quite the story how LE actually caught their suspect:

http://pix11.com/2014/07/22/manorville-man-arrested-in-two-cold-case-murders-of-women-police/

Like an episode of CSI right there. Did you read the comments? Did you see Nan Nan? I keep telling everyone how important comments are.

Alright, so LE may have their guy when it comes to at least 2 murders. Is he connected to the 3rd as LE believes? Maybe even connected to the GB4 or the many other bodies found along Long Island beaches and highways. Not according to LE, but as you may already realized, this post is getting to why maybe what has been said by LE is not to be accepted as facts without question any longer (which some have said all along).

Before we finally get to the JB that brings all of that into question I want to leave this JB with a couple of  rumors, that if true make Bittrolff seem more involved than LE has said.

First is the connection between one of Bittrolff’s believed victims and one of LISK’s known victims. Many probably have heard about an online comment posted by a young woman named Amanda Beinlich several years ago. Turns out her mother, Rita Tangredi, was one of Bittrolff’s alleged victims in 1993. Her best friend was Melissa Barthelemy, the first woman discovered in burlap on Gilgo Beach in December 2010.

Here’s an article I found it mentioned in:

http://pix11.com/2015/03/17/from-gilgo-beach-to-atlantic-city-a-serial-killer-by-the-sea/

It is also mentioned in this thread:

http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?13491-L-I-S-K/page8

I actually first read of it on Websleuths, but you know I’m not allowed to post their stuff here. LOL.

It’s things like this that make me scratch my head. Is this just another internet feed rumor or was Rita Tangredi the mother of Melissa Barthelemy’s best friend?

Everything I have read about such a connection comes from a comment supposedly left on the internet by Amanda Beinlich. I have yet to come across anything to substantiate any of it.

Can’t police or FBI look into this Amanda and see first if she’s real and then second, if what she wrote in that comment is true? Why wouldn’t a reporter go chasing this story? Wouldn’t an interview with Amanda Beinlich be a good catch? There are far too many stories in all of this that seem to be easily corrected as false or sought out for possible important information. And yet none of it is.

Would you believe I even heard a rumor that Bittrolff worked on at least one property at Oak Beach and knew at least some one there? It’s true. Someone has placed Bittrolff in Oak Beach and has said he knew people there.

If any of this stuff is true and if Bittrolff is found to have murdered Colleen McNamee and Rita Tangredi, then how can he be so easily dismissed as a LISK suspect?

There has been lots of talk about corruption in LE where the LISK case is involved. There’s also been talk that LE is holding back information not wanting some things leaked and therefore jeopardizing the case. So has LE of Suffolk County been misleading the public about the LISK case? That answer seems to have been answered to some degree. From the beginning I saw reason to believe both LE might be keeping things close not wanting to give out too much of what they might know as well as the fact something seemed dirty. Something was just not right. We all know now that leads right to another JB, maybe the most important one…

James Burke:

The first time seeing this name was in the early emails I got from Dorothy Price Hill. Being on the west coast I did not know who he was.  That quickly changed. Following Dorothy over the internet the past few years I saw several anti Burke comments, “I Hate Burke” sites on social media, etc. James Burke was Suffolk County’s chief of police and not liked very much. I say was, because as anyone who reads here should already know, Burke resigned:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-police-chief-james-burke-resigns-amid-continuing-federal-probe-1.11016791

Although this happened only recently, when it comes to LISK discussions, it’s been a hot topic for a while.

Not long after Dorothy started bringing up Burke to me, someone told me about a guy named Pete who they believed Dorothy was getting her information on Burke from. Well I knew of this Pete guy, Dorothy mentioned him quite a bit, I believe she said he was a cop.

After finally going to Websleuths I saw some of the things Pete had to say on Burke. I also saw a lot on Burke from a commenter named hawksaw. In fact with the latest news on Burke (we are getting there finally) hawksaw has been commenting quite a bit about the ex chief of police. I hope I don’t get in trouble for mentioning this, I know how it’s not allowed to post things from Websleuths in other places (and if I didn’t know, Jen went out of her way to point this out to me), but all I’m saying about it is both Pete and hawksaw seemed to have good information and good insight because the things they have said are finally coming to light.

Again, being from the west coast, it was not easy understanding a straight connection from Burke to LISK though, and really it was only Dorothy going so far as to directly connect him. Saying Burke knew both Brewer and her ex husband. but she also said I knew Brewer and her ex husband, and I knew that was crazy talk, so it was hard to take anything about Burke seriously.

Still, I saw others talking about him and some people sent me links on him and there seemed to be a story about someone stealing a porno/sex tape out of Burke’s car. I even saw where the tape was said to have had one of the LISK victims on it. That definitely would link Burke to the case directly. But I saw this in a Dorothy emails and comments, not sure if I saw any one else mention it other than her at first, plus when I was reading all these things and trying to understand them I came across this:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-police-report-as-sergeant-chief-james-burke-twice-lost-gun-1.6283153

Was there a sex tape? Or was is about a stolen gun? I really didn’t know what to make about all the things being said about Burke. But more and more came out over the last few years and finally the damn broke:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/james-burke-former-suffolk-police-chief-of-department-arrested-1.11208592

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/police-chief-beat-junkie-who-stole-his-porn-sex-toys-court-papers/

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/suffolk-police-chief-arrested-alleged-assault-article-1.2460203

So there was a tape and sex toys? Yes, all the rumors were now being confirmed. And as Linda said, more was coming:

http://pix11.com/2015/12/10/fbi-to-have-enhanced-role-in-long-unsolved-gilgo-murders-potential-witness-asks-what-took-so-long/

Burke arrested and the FBI are finally involved in the LISK case? And then:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/james-burke-ex-suffolk-police-chief-denied-bail-friday-1.11217569

And then:

http://nypost.com/2015/12/12/busted-ex-police-chief-blocked-fbi-probe-of-gilgo-beach-murders/

Wow, that all came down fast. Leaving some to wonder once again, is there a connection between Burke and the LISK. Did Burke for some reason not want the case solved? Well at the very least, FBI is saying Burke kept them out the case. Most likely because he didn’t want them to have access to his dirty laundry. But as I finish up this post I can’t help but wonder what this can of worms is gonna bring to light. I mean sex tapes and beating up hand cuffed junkies. It seems like a lot on all sides of this. And there is sure to be a lot more to come out.

No matter where it all leads at least the FBI are taking a close look at the LISK case and will be looking at all the JBs and everything else needed to get the answers wanted by so many.

 

 

 

Joey, Dorothy, And The Long Island Serial Killer

I want to welcome any new readers that have found this blog after seeing the documentary in the UK called ‘America’s Serial Killer’. Also if you have found your way here from LINKs on the ‘Praying For Shannan…’ Facebook page, I would like to welcome you and thank you for taking the time to come here and read and not just take the words of a rambling psycho path like Dorothy Price Hill.

The first time I blogged about The Long Island Serial Killer was in a 3 part post on my Red & Black Prophet Blog called “Catfish & Serial Killers”:

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/?s=catfish

At the time I had found the sight called LongIslandSerialKiller.com where many of the commenters were playing some kind of strange game of misdirection and slander your friends and neighbors. It was led by a guy going by the screen name Flukeyou who we all know now is an Oak Beach resident by the name of Joseph Scalise Jr.

Joey, with the help of Dorothy and another truth manipulator Jen (all in the New York/Long Island area) convinced a lady in Florida (who went by the screen name MysteryMom7) to write a blog where they could post all their misinformation and try to convince readers that a serial killer was stalking its pages. That blog was called ‘Catching LISK’: https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/

NOTE: I wrote the above on July 11th, 2015. Anyone who has read my blogs long enough can see it was going to be another “Explanation Post”, explaining my blogs and my reasons for blogging about the Long Island Serial Killer case. I never came back to the post and in fact have not started any other post since then. Part is because this is a very busy time of year for me, but also, I come to the blog, and I’m once again just not sure what to write. There are many things I want to write about, but then I decide to wait a bit longer. I realized though that I can’t leave this post unfinished, still,  I’m going to skip straight to the point and leave out the long explanations for things I’ve explained many times over and probably will many times again. This note and all written below it was written today, 8-5-15:

The point I wanted to make with this post was that I had written about Joey and Dorothy and all the others and their online involvement in the LISK case because I found the things they wrote and discussed strange and (back then) couldn’t quite understand what was going on with all these people. I at first strongly thought it was just one or two people playing some kind of weird ARG but soon found out there was quite a few people involved and it was no game. At least not a game anyone should be proud of playing. And most of them weren’t. Quite a few have tried to keep me from posting their involvement with Joey and Dorothy though I long ago proved what they all were up to, and that they ALL worked together. (Too much explaining… sorry…)

Anyways, this blog was created to get away from all of that. I did what all I could with what I learned of the LISK case and exposed ‘Catching LISK’ and those who were a part of it. I could go on over exposing, but why? Even though Dorothy and Joey are still out there trying to push the same agenda, looking for mentally unstable and internet addicted know-it-alls to drag into it… it’s just a repeat right? Like a  rerun of a bad show…

Of course this blog was also created for a place to deal with any of the crazy off-their-meds types and trolls who might want to continue on. I mean I would never call anyone a cunt on my other blogs or make fun of an elderly woman in need of psychiatric help. I even used to criticize people who got out of hand with the name calling on other sites, but this was a place for that kind of thing. And to be honest, once I started Zero’s World I didn’t expect too many to take me seriously any more and the LISK conversations would end.

Quite the opposite happened. A lot of the trolls ran away and people wanted to seriously discus things. This was very unexpected.

I never want to discourage any type of discussion in the comments on my posts. And I do not want anyone to think I am done discussing LISK stuff… I have been reading everything I can on the Neil Falls guy, it does seem he could very well be the one who responsible in the deaths of at least some, if not all the girls I discussed in the  Lost Girls In Las Vegas post (again, thank you Annie for all the updates on this story). For those who don’t read the comments on this blog, please note that a lot of good links and ideas are there, it’s not all Nan Nan and Flukeyou drivel. If Falls is involved in any of the bodies found in Long Island, hopefully evidence will be discovered to link him. But I wonder how many are out there like Falls.

I am also waiting to hear more from the lawsuit against Dr. Hackett and what connections are to be made with John Bittrolff’s arrest.

I’m very hopeful that things will progress with the Long Island cases and answers will be known. Even when I’m not posting about it I am keeping up to date with all of it. As I have said before, this is with the help of others who also are staying up to date with all that is being said on the case.

That includes the bad reruns as well.

Although Joey/Flukeyou has stayed away since his comments a few months back (I’m guessing he didn’t really want to become the center of my posts like that) Others have come out (I have called it an onion or a rabbit hole, but that original thought of just a few people involved in the online agendas surrounding this case dwindles with each layer, or the deeper you go, which ever metaphor you prefer, you find someone new. Well sort of, most new people are old ones returning… there was just a lot more involved than I initially thought) To demonstrate what I mean in the parentheses, all we have to do is think of Nan Nan.

Nancy was new to me when I started this Blog, Zero’s World, but she wasn’t new at all. Just because I didn’t know of her did not mean she was new to all of this, You just had to know where to look:

nannan lisk

That’s Nancy on LISK.com (Facebook version). Yes, Nancy was not new to any of this, and the more you see how long so many of these nuts were connected and posting misleading to down right crazy posts on LISK and other real life cases, the more it should upset you. It does me. The fact that every corner turns over some one of questionable frame of mind and that there seems to be no bottom to the nut gallery bothers me to the point of not being able to write at all. I end up just coming to the blog pretending I’m gonna write something and going back to Fox News (The republican debates are tomorrow, man I can’t wait!).

When Dorothy returns to her favorite posting hole and writes things like this:

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You know I want to write a post countering her crap. I mean really, Dorothy has to stick up for Joey because he ain’t man enough to speak for himself. LMFAO, Fluke posted quite a bit of comments here “attacking” quite a few people, so my posts were just a response really. And Joey’s response was to stay away, so it worked. Though, as these comments from Dorothy show, my posts were not liked. And she felt the need to respond for Joe. Damn, Junior, that cowardly way about you shines though more and more… you got to see that about your self… others do.

These comments were pulled, not sure if Dorothy did it or someone at SMG’s Facebook did it. I’d say thank you, but I believe the only reason they were pulled was because I posted links to this blog in replies to Dorothy’s comments. Something I plan on testing again right after I post this today.

Although those comments were pulled, Dorothy has since left more:

dph smg 7-25-15

That’s from a few weeks ago… seems Dorothy doesn’t want any Disinformation about Bittrolff out there. A guy who is in jail on charges of murder of at least 2 girls somewhat linked to the LISK case. No, Dorothy prefers to post Disinformation on people who seem to have no connection to the case. In fact she posted Disinformation about me without a seconds pause. That is where Dorothy fails most of all, on those of us who know she has lied and made up stories about. It helps us to judge the things she says about others. That was one of the main reasons for this blog, and I nailed that no matter how you look at all of this.

And yet Dorothy still continues…

She left this comment yesterday:

dph smg 8-4-15 a

dph smg 8-4-15 b

I’m glad to see neither I nor “Linda” are mentioned in this rant. But just to clear up “Disinformation”, or what I like to call ‘Dorothy Dogshit’, (I call it as it is) anyone who has followed this case, knows “The Drifter” has never claimed to have been at Brewer’s that night. This is something I believe comes from Flukeyou or maybe even Brewer early on. Cristin/MM7 had tried to say it was Hackett who made up the rumor of a “drifter” being at Brewer’s that night, I doubt that very much, my bet is on Brewer or Scalise (both Joey’s by the way, a confusing coincidence to add to the many confusing coincidences). Regardless of who brought the drifter to the police’s attention or tried to place him there that night, it’s been shown to not be true and The Drifter himself has said so numerous times in different places as well as in his book “Confessions Of The Oak Beach Drifter”, he was not at Brewer’s the night Shannan disappeared from his (Brewer) house.

So why does Dorothy think she can repeat such misinformation, such a bad rerun? Probably because there are people out there who don’t know enough about what Dorothy writes about and therefore just believes it because it is posted on a place like Shannan’s Memory Facebook. You would think someone there would know enough about the case to correct Dorothy when she makes such inaccurate comments. And yet no one there ever calls her out. I somewhat get that, I hate writing there myself, it shouldn’t be a place for such back ‘n’ forths. But someone has to call her out, right? I mean she mentions Cristin/MM7’s husband here. That can’t be overlooked. Does MM7 threaten to sue Dorothy? Does Danny Boy threaten to shove Dorothy’s computer up her ass? Those are the threats I got from the lovely couple when ever I mentioned them. Nope, no one calls her out except on the pages of this blog.

So I have to write this post, even though I really didn’t want to finish it. I really didn’t want to have to explain myself or this blog one more time. But I can’t let Joseph Scalise Jr. and Dorothy Price Hill just go unchecked each time they raise their ugly little heads, and that goes for any other old/new nuts who pop up from time to time… I eventually have to explain, I eventually have to set the truth as I know it.  Something I didn’t expect to have to do on a blog like this, but this blog is a growing, living thing at this point, and I can not control where it takes us, even if it some nasty old reruns once in a while.

Which again brings me back to the good discussions this place breeds. I mean it when I say I did not expect to be taken seriously after I started Zero’s World. My LISK Blog and the Red & Black were serious attempts at reaching people and understanding things, this blog was a way to say “Fuck You” to all those out there I felt needed to hear “Fuck You”. The fact that so many still come here to seriously discus LISK and other cases and so many still write me on Facebook with encouragement, thanks, or just to shoot the shit about things, does not get dismissed lightly by me. I appreciate all of you good eggs out there.

Good eggs and bad nuts, I know there is a Charlie and Willy Wonka comparison there, between squirrels and geese. But really this post has drug on long enough.

Bottom line, I’m here, and I’m not going anywhere. I accept my place in all of this (meaning life, the internet, and all that is posted here) and although this blog may have more conscious than I had planned for it (can’t help it, it’s who I am) it will continue in any and all directions without a map of any kind. It’s organic now and can’t be stopped. I hope old readers continue to find something worth reading each time they return and I hope new readers find a place here as well.

Most importantly I hope that one day I do not have to write about LISK stuff anymore because it is long overdue being solved and those responsible held responsible. Though even then I doubt the likes of Joey and Dorothy will stop. No, we will probably never see the day where they stop in their spread of sickness across the web, and therefore I will probably never totally be done with all this internet quagmire I stepped into.

Remember that years from now, Joey…. Dorothy, when you just want me to shut up and stop mentioning you. Remember how you used to once crave my attention.

Now to go ‘LINK’ this post to Dorothy’s latest comments and see if they suddenly disappear.