The Truth About The CCC Part 3

If you read part 2 of this CCC trilogy, you know you were supposed to forget all about part 1. So you probably forgot about DPH and MM7 looking into UG and CCC and coming out with tales of Hackett and Dorothy’s ex husband. Tales of how Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were part of The CCC as well as playing some copy cat murder game against each other over some jealousy thing. You also probably forgot about all the screen names claiming to be part of The CCC coming to my blog and giving me no choice but to look deeper into UG and The CCC. And that’s good that you don’t remember any of that. It’s not needed to see the truth about The CCC. You can read part 2 and go away with what is FACT and can be proven by their own posts and comments on Utopia Guide.

So if you are happy with that, I suggest you skip the rest of this post.

You see the more you look into The CCC and UG, the more you start to question this “harmless” group of “hobbyist”. If you have decided to continue reading, you might want to remember the 1st post again. I know, I told you to forget it and you needed to forget it for part 2, but part 1 and 2 are both needed for part 3. All 3 parts will show how the mythology of The CCC grew and spread.

And just for the record, I’m not saying anyone from The CCC is LISK or that any of them are guilty of criminal activity, well other that the obvious. Again, these are things others who have looked at UG and The CCC have said and passed around. I was not the first to look into this and I’m sure I wont be the last. What I came up with is in part 2. The solid stuff that really don’t show much, other than the Morrie guy is stuck in the middle somewhere. Still there is so much out there that (like everything else) don’t add up. Here we go.

Wait false start, first I have to mention Shady Al’s.

magic ccc lingere bar

Since I am not an LI Native (heh heh) please bear with me. When I first read that The CCC hung out in a bar called “Shady” I lost it. Any long time readers will totally get this. It’s an Eminem thing. And most may wonder why I even mention it. Trust me, it’s not just for a silly Eminem joke. Though, I can’t help it, I find it funny. But this blog always looks at things with multiple eyes (because it is read with multiple eyes), and some of you know who started posting Eminem lyrics before I came along (and it wasn’t Fluke like some might believe). I’ve mentioned it before and will again, there will be a last Eminem post before we are done, for those who still don’t get why this sometimes seems like an Eminem tribute blog.

Oh, I strayed quite a bit, or did I. Let’s wait and see.

Other than the fact this Morrie guy was involved in threatening comments about Amber right before she went missing, there is no connection between those in The CCC and the Gilgo Beach Murders. And yet there are those out there who claim if we knew who some of The CCC members were, there might be more of a connection than Morrie’s baseball bat threats. In part 1 I already talked about MM7 and DPH saying Hackett was Magic from The CCC. I also showed in part 1, that that was highly unlikely, since Magic was said to have died in 2010. MM7 and DPH had also said Brewer was part of The CCC:

mm7 brewer is lw

The thought of Brewer being part of The CCC is definitely intriguing. But going by the things “lightweight” has said about himself, I’m not too sure he is Brewer:

wolf lightweight on families

Married with 3 kids in 2008. Yea, that’s not Brewer. There was also talk of Flukeyou being in the CCC with Brewer. That may come from comments like these:

lightweight to wolf rusian girl

But just because one of the CCC members has a thing for Russian girls does not make it Fluke. In fact the same reasons lightweight isn’t Brewer is the same reason it can’t be Fluke. And as I said in part 1, I looked into Wolf5958 (simple google search you all can do) and he ain’t Flukeyou either.

So there seems to be no real proof Brewer or Fluke were part of The CCC… but there is more talk about such proof, well at least when it comes to Brewer:

ws jb ccc

There are other posts like this on Websleuths where it is claimed that Brewer told people he was part of The CCC. But again, no actual proof that I can see. Still the thought that Brewer may be part of The CCC is intriguing. I said that. But is it true?

See how this could quickly became another tale (tail) being chased around in circles. Let me add to it.

magic dead 1 15 2010

Yes, back to Magic. There is something about this (other than the screen name “deadguy”) that bothers me. “I got the news from SCPD”. What is that all about? Why would SCPD inform someone on UG about the death of another person on UG? Is “deadguy” friends with the cop who told him about Magic? Is the cop a member on UG? I don’t mean to confuse it any further… but it just bothers me.

Maybe this post isn’t a good idea. Maybe I should stop why I’m ahead. But you all read the comment on part 1 from Emily:

emily on ccc

This has to be addressed. First off I don’t buy it. I believe the person who left this comment wants me to believe they are this person:

real emily

And as I said, I don’t buy it, for one second. My LISK blog received bogus comments like this back when I first brought up The CCC, but we will get to all that. There’s a lot we can dissect in the comment on UG by the real Emily. But what I really take away from it, was that she is saying MM7 contacted her about all this, claiming she was an “investigative reporter”. And Emily didn’t like it. Damn, she probably won’t like being part of another WordPress blog, I’m sorry Emily, but don’t blame me, blame the “Emily” who left the comment on Part 1. Assuming it wasn’t you, and as I said, I don’t believe it was. I will get to who I think it is. Patience.

So this “Emily” (the one who commented on part 1) really wants to express that “she” knows most of the guys at UG and they are “NICE” men. We may have a difference of opinion of what is “NICE”. I have read plenty at UG and “NICE” isn’t the word I would use. But let’s just look at what was being said there about the LISK case:

UG on lisk.JPG

” it’s getting interesting”, “I hope everyone has their nose clean”. If they were such “NICE” men, they wouldn’t need to worry about “clean” noses, no?

ug magic not dead

When someone brings up coming forward with information lightweight brings up Seeker. The lol tells us it’s a joke, but since I have done some reading there, it’s not very funny. They also brought up Magic. Another joke, I suppose. I definitely don’t think this means Magic isn’t really dead, but I bet those who wanted to believe Magic was Hackett read this that way. The truth is, some of those at UG loved to poke at Magic. There was some real hatred towards Magic from some of them. Mainly from Lightweight and Teps. They would play these story games on UG where each person would continue the story being told with each new comment, and lightweight just couldn’t help bringing Magic into each one:

lightweight magic dis1

lightweight magic dis2

lightweight magic dis3

lightweight magic dis4

lightweight magic dis5

lightweight magic dis6

That may be hard for some of you to understand what you are reading there. First off you have to read from bottom to top. Anyone who has read at UG knows how confusing that can get. Second, it’s not whole stories, just parts of different ones where lightweight felt the need to bring Magic into it. As you can see by the small portions, you probably don’t want to read their little story games anyways.

How many of you find UG’s story games similar to the types of games played at the “Drunken Stepfather” site. Yea, me too. But I’m not trying to say UG is connected to DS or Lake City Quiet Pills. Don’t go blaming me for mixing the 2 mythologies. I’m just saying, like minds, maybe?

Alright, what I will say about all this is the dislike of Magic does circle around Morrie. Yes, it all comes back to Morrie:

ws ig on ccc1

There that sums quite a bit up, don’t it? I was still not reading at Websleuths when I first looked into The CCC and UG, I could have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had been.

So did Morrie harass Magic? Was Magic some kind of narc? The myhology only growing.

If you want, you can go and read for yourself what UG was talking about when bodies started being discovered off Oak Beach:

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/threads/4-bodies-found-on-li-2-could-be-cl-girls.42531/page-6

As I said before, it’s strange that they don’t mind anyone being able to read all the stuff they post on UG. And it’s eerie reading there. So if you didn’t click and read, I understand. To just point one thing out I will post a couple more comments from that thread:

ug on lisk2

ug on lisk1

“NICE” guys or not, I don’t see The CCC helping, even if they did know one of their members could be involved. Like with all the other corruption in Long Island, no one wants their own “Dirt” looked into.

I really should stop now. But that comment:

emily on ccc

Is this the same Emily who was on UG? They sure do want me to think so. Maybe it is. But if it’s not, there can really only be one person behind it:

cynthia on ccc

Don’t they sound a little alike? I know who wrote that. That’s NERD. He admitted writing it, just as he admitted to being PS149 and Seaslug44. I find the 2 comments so similar that even if the new one is from Emily, I would have to wonder if NERD knew her in some way. Which would be a whole other kind of thing. And this is already very murky.

So, for me, I’m gonna assume that NERD wrote that (I know all about assuming, we’ve talked about this before, and I’m more than happy to make an ass of myself to show the ass in others, you know this).  To understand this you only need to know how NERD likes to involve himself in UG stuff. Back when screen names from UG were popping up on MM7’s and my blog NERD was part of the games:

teps ccc lisk blog

lightweight and teps

I don’t know if those are the Teps and Lightweight from UG. Because when it comes to NERD, you just can’t know. He uses many different IPs. (though still was partial a few for a while) and NERD loves to have ongoing conversations with himself with different screen names. Even if those are the real CCC guys, I am pretty sure these ones are NERD:

puppetmaster

sirmixalot

Even if these are other Websleuthers or UG members, or friends of NERD, it don’t matter, I know for a fact these are NERD’s:

nerd as genius at mm7

nerd as amd on UG

nerd pom

And yes, as I said, this one is NERD as well:

cynthia on ccc

Where to even start… well, NERD chose Genius as one of the UG members to pose as. Unless NERD is Genius. I doubt it. But Genius is on UG, one of the nastier members in my opinion. I wonder why NERD picked that screen name to bring to life in the comments of my blog.

Damn. this is getting long, but I know some of you will appreciate all this. Some of you are already lost, I’m sure. I do apologise for that. I also bet at least one person does not appreciate any of this. I do not apologise for that, you had your chance to clear things up.

So Nerd, aka PS149, aka Seaslug44 had a lot to do with The CCC and UG being brought up. He definitely was part of all the hoopla that got me to go read at UG. But back then I could only guess NERD was PS149, and I had no idea he was Seaslug44, so I would have no idea why NERD knew so much about UG and The CCC. I still don’t, well other than mythology and NERD’s not so believing attempt to explain it all to me. But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. You know how I do that.

Those from Websleuths probably already know where I am going, because it was discussed there when Seaslug44 became one of the many Websleuth members who cross over to POI for other Websleuth members. Because this was found:

sealug44 ug profile

Yep, Seaslug44 was a member at UG, since 2005 I should add. Now this has been explained in many diferent ways by Seaslug44, most he admits were lies. Let’s start with the ones he told other Websleuthers about how he made that account to help find someone, or something like that. Here I’ll let him explain it:

nerd on ss44 on ug to ws

So NERD, or should I say SS44 was called out for having an account on UG, and instead of saying it isn’t him (which he claims it really wasn’t), he makes up some elaborate story to explain why he might have made an account up. All this to cover up a more elaborate story about a crazy ex-wife. But this is where I stared to wonder how honest NERD was being with me. We had talked about a lot of things, and I could understand and believe most of what he was saying. This wasn’t adding up to me.

As I said, the Seaslug44 account was made in 2005, which when I brought up, he acted surprised:

nerd on wife ug

He didn’t realize when the “fake” account was made? He wanted me to believe that he got accused of being a serial killer because someone had made a fake account on a “hobbyiest” site that he did all sorts of searching into, but he never noted when the “fake” account was made? Yea, that don’t seem right. Plus he wants me to believe that his wife was mad at him back in 2005 and made this “Fake” account to screw with him. But he didn’t  even know about it until the thing was brought up on Websleuths. Which by the way he decided to make up a lie about because his wife (who he was still with at that point) could be on Websleuths messing with him. If it’s true, I’m sorry, but I just can’t buy all that. Why would his wife use UG to get at him? Why would she know about such a site. And if she or anyone else made the account in 2005 to mess with him, why did he not even know about it till after it was brought up on Websleuths many years later? NERD’s explanations started getting harder to accept. And then of course I wrote the post about NERD being PS149 and Seasslug44 and I didn’t hear from him anymore. I understood, so I didn’t pester him with more questions, even though his answers on the CCC  and UG stuff just didn’t make sense to me.

Then as I started thinking about making the CCC posts, UG went down. I’m still not sure why it was down, but it was down for quite a while. I had to get some other posts out, but The CCC posts were building in my head. And right before I started putting it all down, UG came back up. Which I thought was great because now there would be references for what I was writing about if anyone wanted to search it out themselves. Which is always best… don’t take my word for anything, go see it all for yourself and make your own decisions. But as I said before, when UG came back it changed just a little. Some comments about The CCC seemed to be gone and the Seaslug44 account, that had changed too:

seaslug44 UG pic

I don’t know who that is, but it ain’t NERD.

Strange, there hadn’t been any comments or interaction from that account on UG since this:

seaslug44 ug

Nothing else since 2005. And the picture and info had always been blank:

sealug44 ug profile

But now, years later, and not long after I speak with NERD, aka PS149, aka, Seaslug44 the UG goes down and returns with an updated SS44 account:

new seaslug ug pic

Weird, right? I’m not saying this means anything. I don’t know if someone asked Slinky Bender to change or remove stuff, or maybe it’s just all unrelated coincidences. All I do know is I decided to see what NERD thought about it:

nerd block1

nerd block 2

And with that I was blocked. Fine. Just remember you came to the blog with your games NERD, all I did was figure them out. Go ahead and think I’m the bad guy. You are in good company. You don’t have to explain anything to anyone, but these questions are there.

Oh, and if you are behind the new “Emily” comment, NERD, WTF? Do you really think a third go at all this is a good idea? Just come clean and apologize for once again coming to my blog and thinking I’m still playing, when I said long ago, I’m done playing.

Wow, I really did go too far here. We really should have just stuck with part 2. A little late now though.

When it comes to The CCC there might not be much more than mythology. But that mythology is very thick.

whereitat ccc like brothers

 

The Truth About The CCC Part 1

Over the years a lot has been said about a group of men in Long Island called The CCC. With all the stories floating around, it has become somewhat of a myth. I think it’s time that myth was cleared up.

Finding the whole story behind The CCC can be a little difficult. There are lots of rumors and hearsay out there and it’s all scattered. The best place to get the truth is to read it directly at the site The CCC originated: Utopia Guide. I think most people know by now about Utopia Guide, it is a site where Johns, meaning sex trade clients, discuss what they call their  “hobby”. That “hobby” being paying for sex.

I will get more into Utopia Guide as this post grows… but for now I should point out, that Utopia Guide was down for a little while recently. I noticed that when the site came back up, some of The CCC stuff was gone. That will make this a little harder to get at the root of The CCC… but as we all know, once it’s on the internet, it can be found.

Since DPH is where I first got some kind of story about The CCC, that’s where we will start:

dph ccc lie

WTF?!? Dorothy wrote that back in January, and it is complete Dorothy Dog Shit! The thing is, she knows this is a lie. Don’t you Dorothy? I mean you know you made this up, don’t you? Again I have to ask, those around Dorothy in everyday life… is she crazy and you don’t care? Do you just not see it? Does she cover up the crazy? Or is she doing this on purpose? Which ever it is, and I’m starting to wonder if we will ever really know for sure, her comment above about The CCC mixed in with Fluke “neighbor agenda” and “Burke propaganda” is exactly why I decided to finally put this post together. It’s crap, and it makes an already complicated thing, more complicated. So please, try again Dorothy:

jerry dph ccc

Well, that’s closer to the story you and MM7 first told me… let’s just cut to the chase:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/?s=the+ccc

That may be a little confusing, some of it is comments left on UG about a guy with the screen name magicfingersny. I believe MM7 wanted to show proof that The CCC existed, because there were a few out there trying to convince her it was a joke, a made up thing. On her blog people using screen names from UG straight up told her The CCC was a hoax:

wolf5958 mm7 blog

I should point out DPH was convinced Wolf5958 was her ex husband. I did a quick google search and decided it was not her ex husband. In fact I’m guessing anyone looking into The CCC looked all into this screen name… they have enough of a trail online to do so. This was one of the many times I questioned how much of the false information being put out there was on purpose. I mean Dorothy and MM7 had to have found everything I did, I found everything they did. So they had to have known this wolf was not Dorothy’s ex husband. And therefore connecting Dorothy’s ex husband to UG and The CCC by a screen name that they knew wasn’t him? I’m just saying. What am I saying? Oh yea, I don’t think wolf5958 from UG was Dorothy’s ex husband, that’s what I’m saying.

Still… all the screen names from UG popping up on MM7’s blog didn’t help with the confusion. Which obviously was the point, which is why I believe they showed up on my blog as well:

teps ccc lisk blog

teps lisk blog

Man, I was all so new to these games back then. And I had no idea if these were people from UG or just trolls. Back then I just figured it was people wanting me to look at UG and The CCC. I mean why bring attention to themselves if it was really them? But now I wonder… could some of them been the real UG screen names they claimed?

lightweight and teps

Either way it got me reading UG (thanks, a lot), and there I could see where DPH and MM7 got their story from:

teps magic ccc 2008

So this is what MM7 had posted on her blog, and it does seem to show that there was a CCC and this guy Magic was kicked out of it. The reason why seems to stem from Magic posting on UG about girls without really using their services. In hindsight, the story of Magic’s fall from The CCC is worth looking into… but back then, I didn’t know it. What I did know, was the story DPH and MM7 got out of all this was crazy.

If you don’t know the story, this is basically it:

4 men, who were part of group called The CCC were responsible for the AC4 murders. Not together, but 4 guys each took turns killing 1 of the 4 girls. Then years later they get in a fight with a member of this little group, Magic, and kick him out of the group. But Magic knows about the murders they each committed and is determined to get even with them. So Magic then goes and kills 4 girls, the GB4, wanting to make it look like his old buddies were responsible.

I swear, that’s the story DPH and MM7  were telling. That was what they came up with after looking into The CCC and UG. I blame television.

So, as I already wrote, DPH thought her ex husband was in The CCC. Dorothy also thought Fluke might have been in The CCC. Dorothy and MM7 also believed Brewer was part of the group:

mm7 brewer is lw

I already said that I don’t believe Dorothy’s ex husband was part of the CCC, but Fluke? Maybe… and Brewer? Interesting thought, huh? We will have to come back to that. Another person they connected to The CCC was Hackett. In fact they believed that guy Magic was Hackett. This of course fitted everything Fluke was selling both DPH and MM7 about Hackett. Out of all of them, this one is definitely not true. Magic couldn’t be Hackett, because Magic is dead:

magic dead 1 15 2010

And quite a few people comment about it:

magic memorial1

fuhecu2 magic stonehedge

 

billy s rip magic marc

When I saw all this (again, back then I was new to many parts of this) I couldn’t understand why DPH or MM7 would try to say Magic was Hackett. They were getting their information from UG, and they had to have known Magic was dead and therefore not Hackett. In fact I couldn’t figure out why they would think this was connected to LISK at all. I wrote the whole thing off at first. Which was easy, because I really didn’t like reading at UG. But they weren’t the only ones mentioning The CCC, so as with everything else I kept chasing it.

At the end of the day (I really hate that phrase and use it mockingly) The CCC and UG seemed to have plenty to look into without pretending Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were people they obviously weren’t. I also discovered you didn’t have to come up with some made for TV story about a serial killer copycatting his 3 serial killer friends to connect The CCC to the LISK case.

To be continued…

SSDD

I guess the best way to start is to explain what SSDD is for those who don’t know. It’s a phrase I’m sure most of you have used before. “Same Shit/Different Day”.

Simple enough, right? Yea, nothing is ever simple here.

Long time readers may remember that I have three favorite authors. Douglas Adams, Clive Barker, and Stephen King. I came into each of them in that order… after reading everything there was by Douglas Adams, I started reading Clive Barker. When I ran out of Clive I moved on to Stephen King. I have yet to run out of Stephen King…

I bring this all back up because a few months ago I went to my personal library, which is full of many different subjects, both fiction and non-fiction, but yes, the bulk of it is Stephen King books. The movie “Dreamcatcher” was gonna be on and I wanted to watch it. It was a book I had not read yet. So I got the book out and started to read.

I read in different speeds… very fast and super slow… I can spend hours reading one day and then go a few weeks before having time to do so. But when I really get into a Stephen King story, I read every chance I get. It took me a few weeks, which, for a book just under 600 pages, is not fast by any means, but in my world where I can set a book down for 2 weeks before having time to pick it up again, that’s pretty fast.

The book is a sort of alien horror story. A pretty good one. I found parts of the book some of King’s scariest. Most would say “It” and “Salem’s Lot” is king at his scariest, and I would agree. These and a few others actually are books that cause nightmares. There are parts of “Dreamcatcher” that also do exactly that. There is a bathroom scene that is truly horrifying and disgusting.

If you have seen the movie, you know about the bathroom scene and SSDD, but trust me, I read it and then watched the movie right after I finished. Like most book to movies… you really have to read it to get the full experience. The movie was pretty good for the first half… but just lost site of the story in the second half. I understand why it went a different way, but it really did become a different story by the end.

So, yea, if you saw the movie and liked it or saw it and thought it was missing something… read the book. The missing stuff is there.

Anyways, without spoiling too much for those who have not seen or read it, SSDD is discussed by the main characters throughout the course of their lives. At first they don’t understand exactly what it means. Something they heard the older boys say.  In a simple explanation (very simple) they come to understand it in different parts. Same Shit… yea, that’s a given… but at one point Different Day comes along and so much seems to change… in the end though it’s a phrase meant to be together. SSDD.

I’m not gonna speak for Stephen King or the characters in the book, but I will explain what I took out of their dealings with SSDD.

We get stuck in repetition, the same shit all the time. It’s the way it’s designed, so really it’s no one’s fault. I mean we eat and sleep and do all sorts of things in monotonous repetition. So to get stuck in Same Shit is just life. But at times change is there… if you read my very first post on another blog that seems so far from this one, I wrote that evolution is a part of creation. We create to evolve and we evolve to create. Different Day is waiting for all of us who step out of our circles, realize we are our worst enemy and therefore you are the one who can make it all work out or not. You are in control of your own destiny.

Now I may be taking the whole thing further than needed. Again, that’s what I got out of it. On the simplest terms, Different Day can be seen as first time experience. It’s all the same shit, until those first come. Any first. First job, first love, first kiss, first child. SS is always punctuated with first time experiences that bring on the DD.

I hope I haven’t confused anyone yet, this post is just gearing up. I guess it doesn’t matter because in the end, the characters see it as one. SSDD, and sadly it is what everything becomes. SS becomes DD, DD becomes SS, but in the end, it’s all SSDD.

Are you still with me?

Another way to say it may be, “the more things change the more they stay the same”. But SSDD says that and a lot more. It’s kind of a discouraging way of looking at things… but that don’t mean it ain’t accurate.

Alright, that’s enough insight on SSDD. I bring it up because last summer, when I read “Dreamcatcher”, and I read all about SSDD, I saw fully how that described the Zero’s World experience … and here we are months later… SSDD.

To start we have to go back to my first blog here on Word Press, the one we fondly call “The Red & Black”. When I started that one I was searching for a DD. Looking to put a fun, uplifting blog up. A welcoming place that did not promote the “back n forth” you see all over the internet and social media. Though I wondered how long I’d be able to keep that up. Since I planned to blog about the “back n forth” and the way we misuse social media. If you have not read those early posts, please take some time and check them out. No matter how far we have come, I said it best in those firs few posts. I had planned on blogging about religion and politics and many other controversial subjects  that I knew could lead to the “back n forth”, but I hoped to try to handle it differently. To find away to preach without judgement. That went out the window early on unfortunately. I don’t know if there are many of you who have been reading since those early days (those of you who did and are still here… I fuckin’ love ya) but for those who weren’t here, this is what happened.

Cat-fishing had just become a big thing. The movie had been out and the TV show was just begging. There were stories of people faking Facebook accounts of whole families for now real reasons other than attention. A football player was in the news after being fooled by a guy pretending to be a girl. The football player actually thought of this person as his girlfriend and mentioned her on TV, when the guy with the fake account made it look like the football players fake girlfriend passed away.

I was really taken in by this strange new way people were using the internet to fuck with people. And here we are years later and it’s only gotten worse.

As I got ready to blog about all this I came across MM’7s blog. To me it seemed a weird sort of cat-fishing was going on in the comments of her blog. And after all these years we know how right I was. But I learned on MM7’s blog and all the other sites, blogs, and discussions related, they called these fake screen names and accounts “Sock-Puppets”.

I may be boring some of you, since I have kind of explained all this a few times over the years, but I feel the need to recap and fill in so everyone understands the ZW SSDD fully. I decided to put it all together in a 3 part post called “Catfish & Serial Killers“.

This of course led to my LISK Blog and what ever DD I was looking for, once I started my LISK blog I  defiantly found something completely different.

The LISK case it self is a repetitious beat of SSDD leading in endless circles. I think most of you know what I mean by that. I may not have understood SSDD back then, but I knew about circles and eventually I came to a place where I wanted to get out of the circles my LISK blog had led me too and try to move on to something else. In other words, leave the SS and find some DD.

Zero’s World was born.

Again, I have  written about all of this in much more detail many times before, so I won’t continue to bore those of you who have read this way too many times now. Point is, I started Zero’s World and SSDD became modus operandi.

As I began posting on Zero’s World I realized people had been looking into me. MM7 was the first to figure out who I was, but if you were reading back then, you know I had pretty much told her all about who I was, so her searching was just verification I guess. This led to a SSDD that still puzzles me:

Remember, this came from MM7 right around the time I started ZW 4 years ago. MM7 was trying to imply that me working in a haunt could be twisted into something. Which I said many times myself, after all my character is very scary, lol. We all know I have written about my haunt character many times and yes people have tried to twist it… SSDD.

But that’s not the SSDD I’m bringing up here. It seems that MM7 went straight for my wife when looking into me. I xed out my wife’s name. Not quite sure why, it’s not a secret, right?

Again, the names are xed out more in jest, we all know what they say. This is just one example of DPH spreading the word. SSDD!

I don’t know how often this goes on but more recently Maureen sent me something she said was sent to her:

Jesus Fuckin’ Christ! SSDD! I don’t know who sent that to Maureen. She sent it to me more as a taunt then a heads up. My guess was TKAMB, since she’s one of the latest out there bringing up my wife. But I know Ricky Dicky Keeys was sending her stuff about me, and so was Fireball, I think. It don’t matter… SSDD, and one as I said, that still puzzles me. Do you look for info about my wife to see what kind of woman would marry an asshole like me? Or is it like I have said before, a little jealousy. MM7, DPH and others have not had very good luck with men. And you just want to see who was lucky enough to find a good guy like me? LMFAO, that’s it, huh?

What really puzzles me about this, is why you feel the need to tell me, “I know your wife”. Good for you, SSDD fuckers! Ask MM7, Dorothy, Nancy, or Maureen what it’s like to deal with “Sassy”. Over the years I have told you all to leave her out of it, that was  for your own good.

Another SSDD that kind of puzzled me was the threats of violence. From MM7’s husband:

Before I go on I need to point out, I never brought him or MM7’s kids into it. MM7 brought her whole family into it, and others did go at her family, you can read back and see what I have written. Not to mention, I took much down at MM7’s request when others posted stuff about her husband. But let’s just be honest here, the guy is an abusive prick who thinks he can bully and beat people up to get his way. Oh and by the way, I checked, and he did not go to the owner of LISK.com nor was the site taken down because of Danny Boy.

I’ve had lots of threats over the years:

Jerry was all over that SSDD.

That’s Ricky Dicky Keeys, and as I pointed out back then, SSDD!

Yes lots of threats over the years, but that little fuck Malik Boodie, aka Ken Jones, aka The Shark really made an art out of it:

SSDD Malik! And don’t think I’ve forgotten about you, because I haven’t. Soon Malik… soon.

Yep, no matter who came along, Flukeyou, MM7, Jen G, DPH, Nancy, NERD, TKAMB, SOM, Ken Jones, Plot Master, Jerry, Maureen, Ricky Dicky Keeys, et cetera… each one was so much like the other.

SSDD!

 

Note from Zero: As you can see, the above was written back in March. I wasn’t quite happy with it. I wasn’t sure how to express the full feeling of SSDD running this blog has filled me with. It sat and sat and I almost thought I was just gonna skip it. But even with no real new posts other than some holiday stuff, the SSDD continues. So let me put a finish on this post, it needs to go up:

One SSDD that always makes me smile a little is how people praise my blog or say they love what I am doing until it catches up with them.

MM7 used to post links to my blogs and I commented quite a bit on hers. I was very lost at the beginning but I caught on. Anyways, MM7 would go back and forth liking what I was doing  to calling me a stalker. She liked it as long as it went with what she believed or should I say perceived.

Flukeyou and DPH also praised my blog at times, I think we all know what they think about it now.

A little while back I announced Seaslug44 was PS149 as well as NERD. In fact he was a shit load of screen names throughout the years. I know he didn’t want me to put it out there, but I felt it was important for people to know. There are quite a few things about Seaslug44 I think probably should be put out there. but I’ve held way back because we had started talking on Facebook and he seemed to want to clear up all the confusions… I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Even though early on NERD had some not so nice things to say about me and the blog under his many screen names (no need to go in to them at this moment), but he seemed to be liking me going at TKAMB and some of the others:

Yea Seaslug44 was fine with me exposing what others did but I guess he might be worried what all I might write about his own escapades. Even though I have not mentioned him on the blog since, I guess he decided to do as others and run away. I wrote him to ask him something recently and he did not reply. Which was strange because he had written me quite a bit before. I wrote him again and he blocked me.

LMFAO!

I noticed a few people blocking me lately. Like that will help.

Some of you make me laugh so much. You say how great I am and then say I’m an asshole. You love it when I go at others and expose them for what they have said and done, but you don’t like it when it is your turn. You see what this place is all about, and yet you come to me and start playing when you have no need too. You could have just stayed away.

But you can’t help yourselves. And one by one you become part of the SSDD.

And in the end each of you blame me… SSDD.

Oh well, we can’t escape it. It is what it is… SSDD.

Oh and by the way Dorothy Price Hill, I know you are mentioning me in your secret FB Group.

SSDD!

Welcome To The Illuminati…

This blog and those who are connected to it have been accused of being many different things with many different agendas. I now have to tell you… it’s ALL true!

Zero’s World and many who contribute here are part of the oldest and most powerful group that has ever existed. Our origins reach back to the death of Christ. Our family heritage is linked to the Masons and our country’s founding fathers. The secrets of The Knights Templar has been passed down through the years and the bloodline of Christ has continued through to this day. The Kennedys, Rockefellers, Astors, Rothschilds and many others are known to be a part of this bloodline , but in present day most of us have changed our names to avoid detection. Through the years many have speculated on the existence of the Illuminati and our roles in running the world. I am here to tell you soon all will be revealed and the world as you know it will change for ever.

This of course is the good news.

The bad news is, this blog was used as a HONEYPOT:

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This means everyone who has ever connected to this site in any way opened themselves to us. Any comments:

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were easily connected to their source:

rich keys profile

All your emails were hacked and collected:

DPH MM7 email Nancy email1

LISK Jen and UG

dph email to mm7

jjj email on zw

fluke email from JR

mm7 email to JR

As well as all your Facebook PMs:

Jerry kate1

jerry kate17

k8 dph294

k8 dph254

k8 dph324

k8 dph325

k8 dph326

lyon jerry1b

lyon jerry2b

lyon jerry3b

Those last 3 were sent to Jerry from Rich Lyons aka: Susie Mockingbird. In case people were wondering who was passing around personal info to everyone.

You now know how we were able to find so much from Longislandserialkiller.com long after the site was taken down:

LISK Fluke1

LISK Flukeyou 1

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LISK Flukeyou 4

LISK Drifter 1

LISK JJ 1

LISK JJ 2

LISK wanda 2

LISK Resident

LISK ANON 1

It’s also how a blog long ago taken down by its creator can be put back up:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/author/miserymom7/

And how comments from that blog can now be seen for what they really are:

fu gus and bh

You never had a chance Fluke.

Secret pages were all seen:

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Things unseen by most was easily seen by us:

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jim mutell LH1

No private conversation was truly private:

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Even DPH’s “secret line” is known:

dphsandy hook secret line

We have it ALL. And ALL will be revealed in the comments.

You Can’t Win

I think we need a little break. Everyone is so upset and I feel a little responsible. So how about a nice sing along… it’s been a while since we had a good one. This one is my favorite song from The Wiz, “The Crow Anthem”. So hit play on the Michael Jackson video, the lyrics are down below. Hear it, sing it, feel it! Because, “you can’t win, you can’t break even, and you can’t get out of the game…”

[Verse 1]
You can’t win, you can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game
People keep saying things are going to change
But they look just like they’re staying the same
You can’t win, get over your head
And you only have yourself to blame

[Chorus: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, chile (You can’t win chile)
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Verse 2: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, the world keeps moving
And you’re standing far behind
People keep saying, things will get better
(Just to ease your state of mind)
(So you lean back)(And you smoke that smoke)
(And you drink your glass of wine)

[Chorus]
Sayin’ you can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Bridge: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, you can’t win no way
If your story stays the same
(You ain’t winning) No, no
(But it’s nice to see you, I’m awfully glad you came)
(Better cool it, cause it ain’t about losin’)
Then the world has got no shame

[Chorus]
You can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Verse 3: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, you can’t break even
Ain’t the way it’s supposed to be
(You’ll be spending) No, no, oh
(Your little bit of money)
While someone else rides for free
(Learn your lesson) Ooo
(Refuel your mind before some turkey blows out your flame)

[Outro: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, chile
(No, you can’t win) [4x]

You can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game
You can’t get out of the game
You can’t get out, woo, of the game, no, no

No Apologies

Alright, I told ya all this wouldn’t be good. Dorothy and Jerry are officially working together. Yes, this is as far from good as possible. I also knew it was just a matter of time before they came at me. After all, since Dorothy declared war on Zero’s World, I have been taking out everyone who has ever worked with her… so of course she’s gonna recruit him. So I made sure I went and joined  Kim’s LISK group and let them know I knew they had hooked up:

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Damn, that was fast right. But I knew where these people would be turning their attention to, and I just wanted to go straight there. Yes, “own worst enemy”… we’ve talked about this. And now that Kim had removed me from the “group” they could say what they wanted unanswered… well, not true, I have the blog, lol.  So here’s what they had to say:

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First off, that’s a facade Christmas shirt. LMAO, you big dope. But no, I don’t have big arms, not no muscle builder here that’s for sure. Let’s take a look at his arms again:

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Wow, check out them “guns”. LMFAO. But hey, maybe you could take me and my puny arms in an arm wrestling match. But trust me, I ain’t getting near your crazy ass to find out. Let’s continue:

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Are they serious? They sure want me to apologise to a lot of people. Do they really have the nerve to tell me to apologise to the victims. Man that’s so wrong. And Leanne? Jerry Jaime Hall, \too far man, too far. And so untrue. But like all the other nuts, you make comments that are really telling about yourself. As we will see by the end of this post, you really owe some apologies… but don’t bother, just go away. I know he won’t they never do. As for all these other people they think I owe an apology to: Dorothy, The Scalise family, Cristen, Pete Hawkshaw, and Lovejoy (really, just say Susie). All these people and you Jerry can look for your apology at the end of this post. I promise it will be there.

That is really stalky stuff there posting what you think my Birthday is (it’s right on my Facebook, good work detectives). I told you guys, this Jerry guy is more than a troll, he is a real life stalker!

Right now I want everyone to just forget about the LISK case for one moment. I know for some of you that’s not easy… I understand, but for right now, let’s just try. I am trying to show you that this Jerry guy has nothing to add to the case, nothing! But more importantly, I’m trying to show you he is very unstable and if you let him in, he will latch on. As I said in the last post, I have heard this from quite a few ladies out there. I have seen screen shots of conversations where he does it. If you let him… he will do it.

But it’s hard to show this without showing those messages, and I really don’t want to put anyone on this guys “hate” list. I’m there and I got a taste for what that’s like. I don’t wish that on anyone, not even Dorothy though we all know she will fall for this nut, hook, line, and sinker:

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Fuckin’ Dorothy. Still he was putting lies out there and I didn’t know how to show without posting things I didn’t feel right posting… but then Jerry’s lies lead me right to that way:

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That’s from who many have come to call Leanne. It is from her real account therefore I am not showing her Screen Name. From this point on for sake of no confusion I will be calling her Louisa because that is the screen name Jerry talked to under. And also because Louisa stepped up today to shut Jerry right down. She put me in a 3-way group message with her, Jerry, and myself. I know, the last time some one put me in a 3-way group message I got chastised by Josh Zeman. Good Ol’ Lindsay Lohan 6. I wonder how Paul’s doing. Alright, Louisa had decided to shut Jerry right up, and I have to say, that she didn’t have to. But she did:

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Yep, I think I said this all yesterday.  That would be enough for me to end this post. If you chose not to see truth when it’s right in front of you, then you are never gonna get me or my blogs. You should just forget about it all. But Jerry is a nut like no other and his true self came out… let’s take a look:

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LMFAO… after all Louisa just said, all Jerry can think about is I’m in this group conversation and he wants me. Yea, he want’s me bad. I didn’t really want to reply… he was missing the whole point of what Louisa was doing… so she made it crystal clear:

 

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If you can’t read that, don’t worry here it is:

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Louisa put up some of her old conversation between with Jerry to show she has asked him to leave her alone. I saw it for what it was, but Jerry had just one thing on his mind:

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LOl, he called me chinky face because I wear the Guy Fawkes Mask. It’s racist and stupid. Wait, that’s an oxymoron. But you get what I mean. Louisa tried again:

 

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Roh, Roh! Jerry was saying something about hunting Dorothy in those older conversations. Hope that doesn’t put a damper on their new friendship. I doubt it will.

It didn’t matter what Louisa said or posted, like I said Jerry wanted me. He wanted me bad:

lotn-jerry9

See it? He’s “done with that”. He doesn’t care about LISK, or the victims, or Louisa at that point. All he cares about is who he’s obsessed with at the moment. Your’s truly. You all know how I have a way with doing that.

I have no need to go back-n-forth in private conversation with a nut. But I felt i had stayed out of the conversation for long enough. Time to give him what he wanted…  I started off with a question:

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That’s all I needed. Yes, Jerry I was there have at it:

lotn-jerry12

Yep Jerry wanted me to post this as well. I’m telling you he’s nuts!

From that moment it continues on, Jerry calling me names and threatening me in all sorts of ways, while Louisa posted more of their old conversation where Jerry stalked and harassed her:

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lotn-jerry16

LMFAO, he called me a pipsqueake. ‘Member when Son of Man kept callin’ me sweet pea? Yea, we ‘member! I ended up posting a Red Hot Chili Peppers song for SOM, here it is again for Jerry:

Funny, huh? But let’s not joke too much about this. Jerry is looking up places in Las Vegas. He has posted this address in public places.What if that was my house? (It’s not, so don’t worry), or what if it isn’t Jerry is stalking innocent people to find me. Maybe him and Dorothy belong together. Let’s go on:

lotn-jerry15

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More close-ups of what Louisa posted in the 3-way convo. You can see what she went through with him, so the fact that she was going out of her way to stop him from doing it to others says something, no? Again it was all lost on Jerry. all he could think of doing was reaching through the computer and grabbing me by the neck. I have that way on the nuts. But again, I had no reason to get into a conversation with Jerry. he wanted to kill me, I got the message loud and clear. well I would, because after I said this:

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Jerry continued to go on and on:

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Oh, I just did post it…

lotn jerry24.JPG

And I posted that too. I have no idea who he thinks is coming for him, lol. Although he said many times he or his friends were coming for me, I have never said such things. I don’t fly, so you know I ain’t going to the UK. I guess he thought Louisa was sending me over there and he wanted to send her a selfie of him smashing my knees in. Nice. Yea, Jerry is dangerous, I see that, I’ve been saying it. No, I am not going near that guy.

While he was ranting about me, Louisa tried a few more times:

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lotn-jerry22

lotn-jerry23

Real quick, that “not me” line is a threat. Straight up. But he ain’t the first one in all of this to threaten me like this. How’s the saying go? This ain’t my first rodeo. I ain’t gonna let this nuts threats get to me. No mater how scary they got… and they did get scarier. Before we look at all that, I want to post the rest of the older conversations that Louisa was posting from her and Jerry:

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jerry-stalking-lotn6

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Do you see how he goes on and on even without her ever acknowledging him. He finally threatens her and she once again tells him to leave her alone.

The guy is so dangerous, can everyone see that now? I mean that whole “crazy estranged family, whom will help him when contacted, these people are not as forgiving as I am particular my half brother across the sea“. That’s more than nuts. That’s so fucking scary that he would say that to her. And it’s even scarier that he would come back later and say. “I’m Just off to bed. How are you doing“. Are we all on the same page? This guy is not to be messed with in any way. STAY AWAY FROM HIM! 

Long after Louisa and I had stopped saying anything in that group message, Jerry continued to go at me:

lotn-jerry27

OK tough guy, keep running your internet mouth… and he did:

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It’s on there…

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I am, I am. Jerry just wasn’t giving me enough time. I mean it is Monday, and I rarely blog on Monday. I had things to do today. But there I got it all up there Jerry. Who is this guy threatening with these pictures? No one’s coming for you, you paranoid little shit. I’m not going near you and I suggest no one else does either.

Before I sat down to write this, I went back to see if he had added any more. There was one last scary comment:

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Nice mask. At that point Louisa left the conversation and I did as well. Leaving Jerry to talk to himself for who knows how long.

I hope most people will start blocking this nut, he is dangerous, this is not up for debate any longer. He is not helping the LISK case. He’s not helping anyone. He is trolling around trying to find someone to make him relative. Someone to make him matter. He should just go see a shrink and stay off the internet. Which brings us back to his new buddy Dorothy.

Well, Dorothy. Another one down. And you just recruited this one. This war isn’t going so well for you. I know, maybe you think you are winning. People still are listening to Hawkshaw ramble at Websleuths. I know a few  people still listen to what you have to say as well Dorothy, not many, but a few. And people are gonna listen to Jerry. I’m sure it will all be about me too, huh Jerry. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge:

jery-zero-masked-hero

Does anyone wonder why I’m getting tired of dealing with these psychos?

Look… you can’t change truth. So many of you want to. You want to make some fucked up shit you see in your head reality. But you can’t. Remember Dorothy, I’m not a Trump supporter, ‘alternative facts‘ do not fly here.

‘Nuff said.

 

 

 

 

Oh yea, you wanted an apology… here ya go:

 

Lindsay Lohan 6

Last week I posted this:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/lets-get-down-to-bussiness/

I know it seems like ages ago. A lot has happened in 1 week. As I said that post had been in the making for quite a while and when I finally sat down to get it finished and posted it had changed a little. Some things were left off. For instance the screen name Lindsay Lohan 6 was mentioned in the original version. For a few reasons I took it off. That obviously was a mistake… so here we go.

It was comments like this that first made me notice LL6:

ll6-crank-call

I could just tell that they were one of the nuts. Guess what, I was right.

LL6 likes to say my blog is pointless and boring. They said it on Websleuths and they even told me so personally, yesterday:

ll6-diss

What the fuck? That’s kind of ballsy, especially for someone who had just asked me this:

ll6-name

Um, yes Paul, yes, I am.

Paul aka LindsayLohan6 (nice screen name, all I could think of all the time was how LL6 was 1 off from MM7, no connections I’m sure, but it’s all I could think of every time I saw your screen name), thinks he is helping the case. And maybe he is. Maybe he’s the one who is gonna solve it. To be honest, I took him off the post and actually sent him a message before bringing him into the madness. I know, I know, my mistake, LL6 decided to bring the madness, which ended in a 3-way with Josh Zeman. Pure madness. But let’s start at the beginning.

As I said, LL6 has not been nice in the past when talking about this blog. Plus I had heard, that like the rest of the nuts, he goes running to John Ray with all his “findings” I also figured he was one of the many Websleuthers that went to Josh and Rachel for the show The Killing Season. But before I slumped them in with the others, I decided to write him on Facebook and see what he had to say (remember when I did the same with Candyce? Yea, this worked out just as well):

ll6-zero1

That was the reply. No who is zero? Why are you writing me? Just “What do you hear what do you say”. Well I think I rocked poor Paul’s world when I told him what I hear, what I say. I told him I hear and I say he is LL6. LOL. I think this might have shocked him a little. But he played it cool at first… at first.

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Well, isn’t that convenient?

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I bet it does. I bet it does.

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I think I started making LL6 nervous here. I wasn’t trying too. But with how the blog has been lately, I totally understand.

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This was all good, I mean, I knew I was right about this guy, but it’s good to actually see it. And I was seeing it. I told him I thought he was not much better than the rest. I tried to explain that I feel what they all do messes with the case. But like all the rest he said:

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Reddit? Yea, Candyce used to go there, I’ve been there a few times, who wants to make a bet it’s full of nuts like the ones I write about? Candyce and LL6 make up 2 already!

Alright, so LL6 doesn’t think he does anything like these guys. But I was waiting for something. I knew it was coming. Something that would show exactly what I see LL6 having in common with people like MM7 and TKAMB. I didn’t have to wait long:

ll6-john-ray

Yep, that was it. He helps out John Ray. Who else does this? MM7 did quite a bit. Flukeyou, TKAMB, shit all the nuts do right? They go and tell their stories to John Ray and he twists it into Hackett… am I seeing that wrong? And before we go on, I’m not trying to help Hackett, his name has been gone after on this blog as much as any other (well, almost, I only share an eternal dance with one, huh Dorothy?). You want to sleuth Hackett, have at it, I’m just calling it as I see it. Oh and John Ray calls LL6 “Rainbow”. Smells like another screen name.

Now I need to take a moment to say that a few years ago after reading LL6 post about their POI on Websleuths, I asked who their POI was. They told me it was someone from Websleuths, then told me their screen name and their real name and a few other things about them. I think that need to be known to keep this post in perspective. And once more when i brought this person up, they said they no longer thought they were right, even though they were so sure before. I don’t think you will see any of the irony in this, LL6, but I’m sure there is shit loads of it. So LL6 tells me they have a new LISK POI… get this another person on Websleuths! I swear to God. LL6 now believes he found another Websleuther that he is pretty sure is LISK. Perspective!

I tried to explain why I saw it this way, but all he kept saying was talk to John Ray, talk to Josh, talk to Rachel… I swear, he kept repeating it:

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They never understand me. They do all they can to prove me wrong and all they do is prove me right. Through out the conversation LL6 wanted me to explain how I figured out who he was. I tried to explain it don’t matter. People pass around information, go back and read the perspective part if you still don’t see irony. That is irony right? Am I saying it wrong again? Regardless, please keep this post in perspective. I told him, you all share bits of info online and then connect offline and share stuff, you all go to John Ray and try to one up your fellow Websleuthers, you each think you are helping the case while all the others are wackos. Stuff gets passed around. It’s the good, the bad, and the ugly of the internet. But he had to know who:

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Now there ya go Lindsay, you’ll be a real sleuth yet! Now was it one of these people, or did they tell someone and it made its way out there? Wait, we can’t just gloss over Scalise Sr. being there… and some woman. Yep, as TKAMB would say, “The plot thickens”.

So maybe one of them got it from the phone call and passed it on. I tried to tell LL6 that when you put yourself out there questioning others, you end up getting questioned. He didn’t like this. But it’s true. If you get involved in any back-n-forth on the internet, no matter what your intentions are, it will come back at ya, that’s why it’s called back-n-forth.

LL6 of course let me know I was just as bad as all of them:

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How, ’bout now? Are ya sure now? Look i know I’m no better than any of you, blah, blah, blah, I heard it a million times. Except I’m not sleuthing the case (I’ve said that a few times, right?). Another thing I ain’t doing is running to John Ray or anyone else claiming I have information on who LISK might be.

There were some other interesting parts to the conversation:

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TKAMB reaching out to LL6 through Kolker?!? Take it as you want I guess. I’m sure you all know how I see it (oh and TKAMB, I thought you frowned on “running to the press”).  Anything else Lindsay?

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Yea, we will get to MCME soon enough. As the conversation wound down he said this about the blog:

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Like my response? I really didn’t care, he’s said it before, but I was done with the conversation and I wanted him to sweat a little (fucking dick).

And he did seem to go into a bi-polar break down:

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I didn’t reply because I wasn’t at the computer any more. When I came back and saw it all I was like wow… and then I saw this:

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WTF?!? Really? I mean, really? So right off the bat… LL6 called me Blink 182 Boy. LOL, good one. But to bring Josh in like that, wow. I was stunned. To spring it on me, to spring it on him. Stunned. And to top it off I was getting lectured in a group chat I had no idea I was a part of. I don’t mind though. I know how it all looks… my point. right? I say they are like Dorothy, they say I am like Dorothy… I can see where Josh is coming from, and he was (like me) forced into a group chat. But I never said anyone was LISK, no please no one think that. Again, I’m not sleauthing the case, the people I mention are people I feel have nothing to do with the case and should probably STFU! We are clear there, right? And one other thing, I didn’t ho running to Josh.

So last night after seeing all this I sat down in a feverish pitch to get this all out there. Fuck it, call me “Blink 182 Boy”, Lol. I woke up this morning to look it over and decide how to end it… something like… “Hey LL6, how boring is the blog now?”. I know very predictable. Well I woke up to this message:

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I thought, maybe I’m being to quick on this. Is LL6 really as bas as the others? Shit, am I as bad as the others? Are LL6 and I as bad as each other? Maybe I should just delete this post. And then:

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“King Retard”?!? Ah come on… that’s messed up. And, forgive me if I go to deep here, that statement implies you are a retard… no?

Ah hell, what am supposed to do? What the fuck am I supposed to do? Well, you are reading this, so you know I posted it… and I thought I’d let LL6 have the final word:

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MM7 and Susie

I know this place can be confusing. You should see what it’s like in my head, everything racing around in circles, constantly. So it can be hard to keep things straight when I start typing. Luckily for all of you I love to do recap posts or what we have come to call explanation pots. This is gonna be one of those.

So I’ve blogged about lots of things, but one ongoing thread was to show the connection of some people I used to say from LISK.com, but as we have evolved here we know the truth, it’s a group of Websleuthers. So I have shown how these people got together and well we all can see the outcome.

Once again I need to point out that a lot of ladies reached out to Mari and were part of her Facebook group. It’s important to note that, MM7, Dorothy, Jen, Candyce, and Susie were part of that. At least at one time. I think it should also be noted that they all were kicked to the curb at some point. This happened because they did all work together at some point and then run back to Mari and rat out the other. They each had to be the one who was helping Mari and the best way to show that was to expose who the others were up to no good. The main story was always someone was writing a book. This was an issue quite a bit once books started be written.  There was also the screen name thing.  And bad talk behind Mari’s back. They liked to snitch on each other. Still do or I couldn’t be writing all this. I call this group of ladies The Exiles… though some of them did get back into Mari’s good graces. It’s important to know this went on, it was part of it. So it all started with…

Truthspider. Well that’s where I’m starting it at least. For what ever reason, Truthspider and Fluke got together on the whole LISK=Hackett campaign. I have heard they know each other through lifeguard stuff maybe. But even if they just met up on Websleuths for the first time it dosen.t matter, because once those 2 started there, a lot set into motion to connect the very wrong people. Now Fluke also had his stuff going at LISK.com and Truthspider would go there as well, but it was Websleuths that started the real connections, and still does from what I see. So Jen is on Websleuths, MM7 is there on Florida stuff… and MM7 joins the Hackett campaign. So you have Fluke, MM7, and Truthspider working together behind the scenes and taking their fight to Websleuths. They have resistance especially from PS149. Meanwhile MM7 is also helping Fluke over at LISK.com as well. Too Close To Home is doing their best to combat them there (we are keeping war terms for now since we are in a war with Dorothy, that is how she sees this, so that is how it shall be, TKAMB seems to be another casualty from that war, so i don’t think it’s going to well for that side). There were others that spoke out against them and the whole thing blew up there, resulting in several people being removed from Websleuths.

Jen connects to both MM7 and Fluke and they all work together. (What I mean is they all worked together as 3, but also Jen worked with Fluke alone, MM7 worked with Fluke alone, and MM7 and Jen worked alone) Dorothy get’s in there to. She works with MM7 quite a bit. QUITE A BIT! Dorothy works with Jen. MM7 starts her blog and it is a place for all the Websleuths fighting to continue since Websluths frowns on it, harshly.  But that threesome breaks up. Jen and Dorothy go at it. Jen tells Mari MM7 is writing a book. MM7 tells Mari things about Jen. There are other connections, Dorothy and Nancy, and somewhere Candyce finds her way in and out of there, and some I still may not see. When there are so many “players” each one capable of creating multiple accounts it’s hard to keep up. But I think I did a good job. I think I got to the core of most of them.

So this group worked together and against each other and created a lot of false narratives. And as you see it still goes on. Hawkshaw Pete and Mocking Bird Sue are still involved in this kind of thing. But what really want to show with this post is how it all circles back around, that this group all connects together. I want to show you TKAMN/Susie connects right back to this group who started it al… and well that was done before I even started blogging about any of this. It;s right there on MM7’s blog to read anytime:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/falling-out/

Yep, I hate to use their own words, like conspiracy. But they have all conspired together, that’s no joke. And the more I look at each one you see how they worked together and yes against each other. But more importantly in my opinion they interfered. And some still are.

Author’s Note: After posting this I realized maybe a graph of sorts would help show this better. So I made this:

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A simple graph for a complicated group of people.

Chris Lovejoy Part 1

So, as I said, To Kill A Mockingbird uses all sorts of fake screen names or what we have all come to call, sock puppets (yes I’m going back to that word). She has for some time now. Long ago when ever people brought her up to me (and not by TKAMB, because back then I wasn’t on Websleuths, I mean when people brought HER up) they said she made lots of Facebook accounts and inserted herself into the case (Boy do I see that now). Most were puzzled by it and did not know why she did it, but they told me to stay far away from her. And I did. I have mentioned her by name a few times on the blog. But for the most part I stayed away. And I was fine not knowing much about this person until I went to Wensleuths and discovered that this person was TKAMB. Here was another one. Why? Why do they do it. They all say they are helping the families. Yea, Fluke, MM7, Jen, Dorothy, they all claim that’s what they are doing. Well that’s not how I see it. Does any one else? I know some of the families don’t. And now just going over all this person has written in public and in messages under so many different screen names, after years of waiting for them to just stop, I had to do something, say something, before I left this all behind. I mean, yes, I got the truth out there about so many of these “players”. I call them that, because they act like it’s a game. They think it’s about tricking and fooling people. They are trolls, but they inserted themselves into the LISK case to become “players”.  So I couldn’t go without exposing one last “player”. One of the biggest.

Most of us know one of TKAMB’s favorite sock puppets is Chris Lovejoy. And I have quite a collection of things Chris Lovejoy has said/written, and I was gonna share them, but that will have to wait till part 2. Because Chris Lovejoy just wrote me a message:

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Wow. Don’t these people get what I do here, lol. At first I wasn’t gonna reply. But hey, it’s a sock puppet:

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Yea I bet that part where she calls the Gilbert’s liars isn’t helping her with anyone who might have been listening to her. Good. Because she’s poison to the case in my opinion. She is no better than Dorothy… wait, she is  worse… Dorothy is crazy,  what’s TKAMB’s excuse? Poison.

I won’t bore you with the whole correspondence but here’s some highlights:

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Again, don’t they see what I do? LOL!

I think I got TKAMB a little worried about what I might post next. Yea, I tend to do that to people. You are in great company TKAMB. They all say the same thing too…why do you waste (spelled right) your time on Flukeyou and Dorothy? Sounds like Joey, “Why do you care who Flukeyou is?” LMFAO! And the fact that you were probably the one who first put up MM7’s identity (yea, I know that too), some of the others who have been through this already might actually be happy to see it now happening to you. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person, right? Yea, that’s kind of weird. I’m helping MM7 in a way. But I never said I didn’t want to help her, I tried to show her how to get out of the mess she created hooking up with all these people. Oh well, I don’t want to get sidetracked talking about MM7.

Why? TKAMB/Chris never did answer that. Why make up screen names and multiple fake Facebook accounts? Why insert yourself into the case and harass people once you are there? Why try to convince so many people you know inside stuff? Why is that so important to show the internet that you and only you know who LISK is? Do you really think you are helping? Yea, well Chris Lovejoy didn’t answer any of that and left me with this:

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Did I just get a “cease and desist” from a sock puppet? Shit, I think I did. Damn, that’s fucking funny but kind of stupid. It didn’t work for Dorothy or any of the other nuts, what makes you think it would work for a sock puppet. All it did is create this post for me. Yea, that was not the way to go. I think we need to just cut to the chase…

TKAMB, and I know you are reading today, I hope you had a good New Years, because this is gonna sting a little… ah who am I kidding, this is gonna hurt like hell!

Let’s Get Down To Bussiness

“Let’s get down to business
I don’t got no time to play around what is this?
Must be a circus in town, let’s shut the shit down
On these clowns, can I get a witness?”

Oh no, he’s quoting Eminem lyrics, this isn’t gonna be good. Shall we get started?

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I have posted this e-mail before (Dorothy often began her e-mails with “DO NOT POST THIS ON YOU BLOG”, and I just get a kick out of posting them, in fact Dorothy I may put all your e-mails in a book someday… pipe, smoke it, you know the drill Dottie) and I have gone over how most of these names meant nothing to me back then, but with hindsight, you can see it all at work.

I’m not gonna get into all of that old stuff again. But you are all welcome to read through the e-mail and get what you want out of it, there is plenty to discuss there (and like I said we have discussed a lot of it already). I want to focus on one line from that name dropping masterpiece:

“Cristin also had me meet former NYPD Pete Fiorello. He knows ALOT about corruption in Suffolk County.”

This is where we are gonna start.

At the time I had no idea who Pete  was. And there were so many names. But this one would come up again and again. Dorothy said he was a detective she worked with and she mentions him a lot. From what I  know (and I know a lot) Pete worked with Dorothy and Cristin… so that already is a bad start. So working with Dorothy… strike 1.

As I looked more in to this Pete guy I saw that he was once indeed a cop, I started wondering if he was PS149… he isn’t. The more I looked into him I realized he was another one of these nuts who is obsessed with their LISK POI. I mean Fluke has nothing on Pete. POI obsession… strike 2.

But then Cristin brought the ex cop up to me back when Dorothy started doxing me. LOL, well she tried anyways, but she never believed any of the real stuff about me, not when the stuff she made up was so much better for her delusional agenda. Still, Cristin had called me, wanting to ensure me she did not pass any info about me on to Dorothy. I wasn’t too upset, I had let plenty enough personal info of me slip through, that it wasn’t to hard for anyone to figure out who I was. Shit, it only took Son Of Man a few hours once he started looking. I wanted people to know I was just who I said I was… it made it easier to see through Dorothy’s tangled web of what I have always called, Dorothy Dog Shit. I’m getting off track… let me jump back on… So Cristin said she didn’t think Dorothy found anything on her own. Even though I said to her all I just wrote here, she still didn’t think Dorothy could have figured it out by herself. Cristin then mentioned a detective that Dorothy worked with… guess who? Yep… Petey!  Since then Dorothy herself had mentioned Pete helped her with putting together some kind of dossier on me that she has turned into the FBI. LMFAO! So it seems like this Pete guy, this ex cop, wannabe detective, looked into me for the queen nut troll herself, Dorothy Price Hill. That’s a big strike 3!

But Dorothy says in the e-mail above that it was Cristin who introduced Pete to her. So how much did Cristin work with Pete? And although Cristin insisted she never discussed me with Dorothy, there are many places where Dorothy has said they looked up things on me together. And I’m pretty sure they did. Some of my friends that Dorothy went after in comments I know came from stuff Cristin looked up (‘Member Tattoo Mike? Yea, I member).

So for a while now I have been keeping Pete on the back burner, seeing where he stood in all this and why he would work with a nut like Dorothy. So far I have not met one credible person who worked with Dorothy. Remember that list includes, Jen, Fluke, and MM7. Well, Pete, it’s time to come off that back burner. Welcome to the blog!

It will be nice to have someone new to write about, I know everyone is tired of Fluke and Dorothy. I have covered that side of it in quite detail. It’s time to take a look at the other side… the side that followed that group of nuts from Websleuths to LISK.com to Catching LISK and finally to my blogs, where they would all scatter. We can’t discus that side without bringing up NERD or PS149. And right here I did bring them up. I had a few things posted here that I had figured out. Some of it was wrong, but enough of it was dead on. Since this post has been sitting around all year this is part that I decided to take out since NERD contacted me  a few weeks back and came clean. Yea, lots of what I had written here was right on. Thank you to those who helped me along the way. NERD, I wanted desperately to know who you were. Now I do, so there is no need to go on any more about this. I’ll just say PS149 is not Hackett, as if I even have to say that, lol. I really don’t think it matters much, other than MM7, I think I was the only one concerned with who NERD was. And that was mainly because I thought they could be some help figuring out some of the Websleuthers involved in the game aspect of this. All in all  the stuff we talked about leads right to where I knew it all really began. Websleuths! And that’s just where this post went next:

When I first started blogging about LISK.com, people told me I should check out Websleuths. They said that’s where Fluke and MM7’s games really started. From there, feelings on Websleuths were mixed. Some said it was just as bad as LISK.com with  clicky commenters who pounce on ya if you ain’t part of their group. They said it was full of self-righteous trolls  and so-called insiders playing all three sides of the coin (front, back, and the circular rim). While others told me that Websleuths was full of good people just trying to help and that it’s moderators do their best keeping out the trolls. Both sides were right. Although it would be a while before I would finally check out Websleuths and see this for myself. You see at the time there had been some issues at Websleuths. There was an inner fight between the sites owners. As well as an issue with some of its sleuths sleuthing each other, which resulted in a handful of them (including Flukeyou and MM7) being kicked off the site. The site also went through some operational changes making it only possible to read on the site if you made an account for it. Just knowing that much about it kept me away. I had enough dealing with the screen names of LISK.com and Catching LISK, I had no intentions of going through countless more on another site.

I would eventually make a Websleuths account though. And yes, there are some good people there and yes some of the moderators try to keep the troll games away. But it’s no different from any other place on the internet and has seemed to fall way to catfish and sock puppets. I know a lot of you are gonna argue with me on this point. Tell me that Websleuths has helped solve cases, identify Johns and Janes, and gives arm-chair detectives a chance to get together and help. All very, true but dosen’t chance what I just said about it. Let me remind you… Jennifer G. is on Websleuths. Flukeyou was on Websleuths were made such a mess they kicked him off. Cristin and Candyce were on Websleuths, were kicked off, but they both told me they just made new accounts and got back on. So this is the types of sleuths setting the stage for its threads. And although I have really only checked out the LISK threads, I am told this kind of stuff goes on in other threads as well.

And before you try to say that’s just a small handful who were quickly kicked out (and then went right back in), let me move on with this post and get to the good stuff. The Websleuthers who may have connections to Dorothy. They may have been some of those screen names that followed over to Cristin’s blog, because it had a few Websleuthers there, that I’m sure of. They are definitely candidates for the nut gallery. And they are definitely playing the same types of games as Dorothy, Joe Jr, Jen, and Cristin.

Let’s start with To Kill A Mockingbird, aka kitty katy, aka Alice Cooper aka Oak Beach, aka Chris Lovejoy, and countless other screen names. You don’t know how long I have been wanting to deal with you. You seem more bi-polar than anyone I know involved in this, and let’s not forget, we had the likes of Nancy, Son Of Man, and Dorothy Price Hill. You outshine them all!  And it’s not just the multiple screen names you use all over social media. One minute you are helping John Ray and the next you are trashing him. You claim you were friends with Mari but you call the Gilberts liars. You claim to have all sorts of inside information that can prove what really happened to Shannan, but every time you put something up, you quickly yank it down. You go around telling everybody how wrong they are, but what have you done? You say you’ve done so much and I agree. You’ve done plenty to fuck with people. Well, we are about to get way up in your shit sweetie. I’m pretty sure you saw it coming though. I definitely have left some clues. Welcome to the blog TKAMB!

Now most of you don’t know this, but TKAMB sometimes works with another Websleuths member you know as Hawkshaw. They make quite the dynamic duel. Hawkshaw, I’d welcome you to the blog, but I already did that up above.

Who else? Hoot Owl? Yea, what’s your connection to Dorothy? Or is it TKAMB? I can’t shake the felling you are one of them or know one of them… You definitely like to play games like one of them. Why? Feel free to answer anytime. Oh, and welcome to the blog! Though I have a feeling I also already welcomed you above.

That leaves us with MCME. I have been watching you for a while. You claim to be an Oak beach insider… and that may just be true. All the more reason for me to keep my eye on you. A few names have come up on who you might be (It’s great how you all sleuth each other, it makes it so much easier for me). One of those names is a familiar one and keeps coming up. I’m not gonna drop it though… I’m trying hard not to be a name dropper like Dorothy up there in that email. Besides when you let enough time pass, most of you out yourselves or one of your buddies do it for ya. MCME, you have said (wrote) a few things over the years that have me wondering about you. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it you who said you walked your dog in the marsh where Shannan would later be found? Didn’t you say she wasn’t there? I find these comments hard to believe. And if I’m right and you did make those comments, well that just makes me wonder if you are connected to any of these other nuts. If I am remembering wrong and you did not make those comments, please let me know, I don’t want to be putting out wrong information. Either way, welcome to the blog!

As I sit here reading over this post and coming up with some clever way to end it, something like I’m here to remind you that bullshit does not pay (it’s from the Eminem song above, don’t tell me you didn’t listen to it, go, listen to it) Anyways, as I sit here looking at this post I know that once I hit the “Publish” button I am opening up a whole new can of worms. Heading deeper into that rabbit hole. Peeling another layer off that onion.

I’m my own worst enemy.