Bittrolff & Oak Beach

There are a few things about the LISK case that I have come across that for different reasons I have tried not to discuss in open form. It seems though that now is the time to get to some of these things. Some are widely known at this point and some are not. I’m gonna start with one that is not.

When John Bittrolff was first arrested, some one came to me with a shocking realization. They had seen Bittrolff in Oak Beach before. In fact Bittrolff had worked on a garage of someone who had been a part of the timeline of Shannan’s night in Oak Beach.

I will get to the reasons I have not written about this till now, as well as why I have decided to put it out there. But first let’s just get it out there.

In the early nineties, there was some sort of firework explosion in the garage of Gus Coletti, and John Bittrolff is the guy who was hired to fix it up.

When I first heard this I was floored. If this was true, what a bizarre connection. I can tell you I have every reason to believe it’s true. The sources are reliable. So then all I could wonder was, is this just yet another strange coincidence that the LISK case is plagued with?

Although I did discuss this with a few people and it did get mentioned in the comments of this blog, for the most part I did not disclose the name of whose garage was worked on, and here is why.

First off, I had every reason to believe that LE would be looking into it. So I waited to see if it would come to anything. I did not want to harm the case by leaking something that could be twisted all over the internet before it had its chance to be investigated properly. In my opinion, all the stuff leaked and twisted early on is one of the main reasons the case is the mess it is today. When I started blogging about all this, most of the stuff I was discovering was old and already twisted. But this was different.

And I had every reason to believe it would be twisted. Gus was a favorite target for Fluke. And Dorothy, yes she would love to fit this into her delusions of grandeur. Last thing I wanted was possible good information being tainted with the rest.

Plus I didn’t know if it was important. Could the fact that a guy accused of killing at least 2 women, worked on the house where years later another possibly murdered woman had run to the night she diapered be a coincidence. I don’t know Long Island at all, but after everything I have learned about it is,it seems  everyone knows everyone else. And Bittrolff was a contractor. So maybe it wasn’t anything at all.

So I was conflicted. When you say it out loud, “Bittrolff worked on Coletti’s garage”, it seems like a headline… a missing connection. But in the LISK case there are many connections like this (and I’m about to get to others as well in the next few posts) that seem to be big, but go nowhere. I myself believe Gus’ encounter with Shannan and Pak was as we have been told. Gus did not know them or what was going on when it all came to his doorstep. I also tend to believe, when the cops arrived that morning, everyone involved, meaning LE and the residents who had come out to greet them, thought Shannan had left, most likely with Pak. I may be wrong, but I don’t think anyone at that time had reason to think otherwise.

Of course I could be wrong, but that’s how I’ve come to see it.

I believe Gus wanted to help Shannan, but didn’t have any idea what was going on. So the last thing I wanted to do was throw red meat out there for people to feed on.

Hopefully you all get it. If it was just a coincidence, I didn’t want to further mix this case up with coincidence. Plus with Gus having passed, I did not want to further hurt his family or allow the likes of Fluke and DPH to continue to try and tarnish his memory. If it wasn’t a coincidence and it somehow connected Bittrolff to Shannan or the GB4, I did not want to corrupt it with internet interference.

So why now?

Well first off, Bittrolff was found guilty for the murders of Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee. So this makes Bittrolff more than just one of the many suspicious characters being disused in the LISK case. Plus there are stories that Rita Tangredi’s daughter, Amanda Beinlich, was best friends with Melissa Barthelemy. More coincidence?

With my blog coming to an end soon, I couldn’t leave this undiscussed. So here it goes:

As I said, this may be just a big coincidence. But here are the things that make me question it. Bittrolff wasn’t hired blindly, meaning he was introduced to Gus by a mutual friend. Someone who knew Gus and also knew Bittrolff. I don’t know much about this mutual friend, but I can’t help but wonder about him. How did he know Bittrolff? Now just because this guy may have been friends with Bittrolff doesn’t mean anything. If Bittrolff is a serial killer, and after his conviction I feel safe saying he is, then he was good at hiding his evil side. His friends and family had no idea from what I have read, and still don’t believe it. So again, this mutual friend may not mater much, but I’d still like to know how well they knew Bittrolff. Now this “mutual” friend introduced Bittrolff to Gus and the garage got fixed. But did Bittrolff  meet anyone else while in Oak Beach? Did he continue any type of friendship with anyone there? Did he continue to visit there after working on Gus’ garage?

These are questions I can’t help wondering about. And again, if Gus or anyone else in Oak Beach continued to hang out with Bittrolff, it doesn’t mean anything, No one seemed to suspect him of anything. But you can’t tell me it’s not important to know when was the last time Bittrolff was in Oak Beach.

Speaking of which, from what I understand, the garage was worked on in the early nineties… we all know now what Bittrolff was up to back then.

I will stress one more time, that none of this means Bittrolff is LISK. But it is possible that at least some of the bodies or body parts found off the beachs lead back to Bittrolff. We know some of them lead back to Manorville .

So I hope someone is out there looking into his Oak Beach connections and visits.

Joey, Dorothy, And The Long Island Serial Killer

I want to welcome any new readers that have found this blog after seeing the documentary in the UK called ‘America’s Serial Killer’. Also if you have found your way here from LINKs on the ‘Praying For Shannan…’ Facebook page, I would like to welcome you and thank you for taking the time to come here and read and not just take the words of a rambling psycho path like Dorothy Price Hill.

The first time I blogged about The Long Island Serial Killer was in a 3 part post on my Red & Black Prophet Blog called “Catfish & Serial Killers”:

https://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/?s=catfish

At the time I had found the sight called LongIslandSerialKiller.com where many of the commenters were playing some kind of strange game of misdirection and slander your friends and neighbors. It was led by a guy going by the screen name Flukeyou who we all know now is an Oak Beach resident by the name of Joseph Scalise Jr.

Joey, with the help of Dorothy and another truth manipulator Jen (all in the New York/Long Island area) convinced a lady in Florida (who went by the screen name MysteryMom7) to write a blog where they could post all their misinformation and try to convince readers that a serial killer was stalking its pages. That blog was called ‘Catching LISK’: https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/

NOTE: I wrote the above on July 11th, 2015. Anyone who has read my blogs long enough can see it was going to be another “Explanation Post”, explaining my blogs and my reasons for blogging about the Long Island Serial Killer case. I never came back to the post and in fact have not started any other post since then. Part is because this is a very busy time of year for me, but also, I come to the blog, and I’m once again just not sure what to write. There are many things I want to write about, but then I decide to wait a bit longer. I realized though that I can’t leave this post unfinished, still,  I’m going to skip straight to the point and leave out the long explanations for things I’ve explained many times over and probably will many times again. This note and all written below it was written today, 8-5-15:

The point I wanted to make with this post was that I had written about Joey and Dorothy and all the others and their online involvement in the LISK case because I found the things they wrote and discussed strange and (back then) couldn’t quite understand what was going on with all these people. I at first strongly thought it was just one or two people playing some kind of weird ARG but soon found out there was quite a few people involved and it was no game. At least not a game anyone should be proud of playing. And most of them weren’t. Quite a few have tried to keep me from posting their involvement with Joey and Dorothy though I long ago proved what they all were up to, and that they ALL worked together. (Too much explaining… sorry…)

Anyways, this blog was created to get away from all of that. I did what all I could with what I learned of the LISK case and exposed ‘Catching LISK’ and those who were a part of it. I could go on over exposing, but why? Even though Dorothy and Joey are still out there trying to push the same agenda, looking for mentally unstable and internet addicted know-it-alls to drag into it… it’s just a repeat right? Like a  rerun of a bad show…

Of course this blog was also created for a place to deal with any of the crazy off-their-meds types and trolls who might want to continue on. I mean I would never call anyone a cunt on my other blogs or make fun of an elderly woman in need of psychiatric help. I even used to criticize people who got out of hand with the name calling on other sites, but this was a place for that kind of thing. And to be honest, once I started Zero’s World I didn’t expect too many to take me seriously any more and the LISK conversations would end.

Quite the opposite happened. A lot of the trolls ran away and people wanted to seriously discus things. This was very unexpected.

I never want to discourage any type of discussion in the comments on my posts. And I do not want anyone to think I am done discussing LISK stuff… I have been reading everything I can on the Neil Falls guy, it does seem he could very well be the one who responsible in the deaths of at least some, if not all the girls I discussed in the  Lost Girls In Las Vegas post (again, thank you Annie for all the updates on this story). For those who don’t read the comments on this blog, please note that a lot of good links and ideas are there, it’s not all Nan Nan and Flukeyou drivel. If Falls is involved in any of the bodies found in Long Island, hopefully evidence will be discovered to link him. But I wonder how many are out there like Falls.

I am also waiting to hear more from the lawsuit against Dr. Hackett and what connections are to be made with John Bittrolff’s arrest.

I’m very hopeful that things will progress with the Long Island cases and answers will be known. Even when I’m not posting about it I am keeping up to date with all of it. As I have said before, this is with the help of others who also are staying up to date with all that is being said on the case.

That includes the bad reruns as well.

Although Joey/Flukeyou has stayed away since his comments a few months back (I’m guessing he didn’t really want to become the center of my posts like that) Others have come out (I have called it an onion or a rabbit hole, but that original thought of just a few people involved in the online agendas surrounding this case dwindles with each layer, or the deeper you go, which ever metaphor you prefer, you find someone new. Well sort of, most new people are old ones returning… there was just a lot more involved than I initially thought) To demonstrate what I mean in the parentheses, all we have to do is think of Nan Nan.

Nancy was new to me when I started this Blog, Zero’s World, but she wasn’t new at all. Just because I didn’t know of her did not mean she was new to all of this, You just had to know where to look:

nannan lisk

That’s Nancy on LISK.com (Facebook version). Yes, Nancy was not new to any of this, and the more you see how long so many of these nuts were connected and posting misleading to down right crazy posts on LISK and other real life cases, the more it should upset you. It does me. The fact that every corner turns over some one of questionable frame of mind and that there seems to be no bottom to the nut gallery bothers me to the point of not being able to write at all. I end up just coming to the blog pretending I’m gonna write something and going back to Fox News (The republican debates are tomorrow, man I can’t wait!).

When Dorothy returns to her favorite posting hole and writes things like this:

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You know I want to write a post countering her crap. I mean really, Dorothy has to stick up for Joey because he ain’t man enough to speak for himself. LMFAO, Fluke posted quite a bit of comments here “attacking” quite a few people, so my posts were just a response really. And Joey’s response was to stay away, so it worked. Though, as these comments from Dorothy show, my posts were not liked. And she felt the need to respond for Joe. Damn, Junior, that cowardly way about you shines though more and more… you got to see that about your self… others do.

These comments were pulled, not sure if Dorothy did it or someone at SMG’s Facebook did it. I’d say thank you, but I believe the only reason they were pulled was because I posted links to this blog in replies to Dorothy’s comments. Something I plan on testing again right after I post this today.

Although those comments were pulled, Dorothy has since left more:

dph smg 7-25-15

That’s from a few weeks ago… seems Dorothy doesn’t want any Disinformation about Bittrolff out there. A guy who is in jail on charges of murder of at least 2 girls somewhat linked to the LISK case. No, Dorothy prefers to post Disinformation on people who seem to have no connection to the case. In fact she posted Disinformation about me without a seconds pause. That is where Dorothy fails most of all, on those of us who know she has lied and made up stories about. It helps us to judge the things she says about others. That was one of the main reasons for this blog, and I nailed that no matter how you look at all of this.

And yet Dorothy still continues…

She left this comment yesterday:

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I’m glad to see neither I nor “Linda” are mentioned in this rant. But just to clear up “Disinformation”, or what I like to call ‘Dorothy Dogshit’, (I call it as it is) anyone who has followed this case, knows “The Drifter” has never claimed to have been at Brewer’s that night. This is something I believe comes from Flukeyou or maybe even Brewer early on. Cristin/MM7 had tried to say it was Hackett who made up the rumor of a “drifter” being at Brewer’s that night, I doubt that very much, my bet is on Brewer or Scalise (both Joey’s by the way, a confusing coincidence to add to the many confusing coincidences). Regardless of who brought the drifter to the police’s attention or tried to place him there that night, it’s been shown to not be true and The Drifter himself has said so numerous times in different places as well as in his book “Confessions Of The Oak Beach Drifter”, he was not at Brewer’s the night Shannan disappeared from his (Brewer) house.

So why does Dorothy think she can repeat such misinformation, such a bad rerun? Probably because there are people out there who don’t know enough about what Dorothy writes about and therefore just believes it because it is posted on a place like Shannan’s Memory Facebook. You would think someone there would know enough about the case to correct Dorothy when she makes such inaccurate comments. And yet no one there ever calls her out. I somewhat get that, I hate writing there myself, it shouldn’t be a place for such back ‘n’ forths. But someone has to call her out, right? I mean she mentions Cristin/MM7’s husband here. That can’t be overlooked. Does MM7 threaten to sue Dorothy? Does Danny Boy threaten to shove Dorothy’s computer up her ass? Those are the threats I got from the lovely couple when ever I mentioned them. Nope, no one calls her out except on the pages of this blog.

So I have to write this post, even though I really didn’t want to finish it. I really didn’t want to have to explain myself or this blog one more time. But I can’t let Joseph Scalise Jr. and Dorothy Price Hill just go unchecked each time they raise their ugly little heads, and that goes for any other old/new nuts who pop up from time to time… I eventually have to explain, I eventually have to set the truth as I know it.  Something I didn’t expect to have to do on a blog like this, but this blog is a growing, living thing at this point, and I can not control where it takes us, even if it some nasty old reruns once in a while.

Which again brings me back to the good discussions this place breeds. I mean it when I say I did not expect to be taken seriously after I started Zero’s World. My LISK Blog and the Red & Black were serious attempts at reaching people and understanding things, this blog was a way to say “Fuck You” to all those out there I felt needed to hear “Fuck You”. The fact that so many still come here to seriously discus LISK and other cases and so many still write me on Facebook with encouragement, thanks, or just to shoot the shit about things, does not get dismissed lightly by me. I appreciate all of you good eggs out there.

Good eggs and bad nuts, I know there is a Charlie and Willy Wonka comparison there, between squirrels and geese. But really this post has drug on long enough.

Bottom line, I’m here, and I’m not going anywhere. I accept my place in all of this (meaning life, the internet, and all that is posted here) and although this blog may have more conscious than I had planned for it (can’t help it, it’s who I am) it will continue in any and all directions without a map of any kind. It’s organic now and can’t be stopped. I hope old readers continue to find something worth reading each time they return and I hope new readers find a place here as well.

Most importantly I hope that one day I do not have to write about LISK stuff anymore because it is long overdue being solved and those responsible held responsible. Though even then I doubt the likes of Joey and Dorothy will stop. No, we will probably never see the day where they stop in their spread of sickness across the web, and therefore I will probably never totally be done with all this internet quagmire I stepped into.

Remember that years from now, Joey…. Dorothy, when you just want me to shut up and stop mentioning you. Remember how you used to once crave my attention.

Now to go ‘LINK’ this post to Dorothy’s latest comments and see if they suddenly disappear.

New York To California To Las Vegas To Texas: A Serial Killer’s Trail Of Lies And Obsession

I came across 2 other very interesting stories out of Las Vegas while chasing the internet on the “Lost Girls In Las Vegas” post. One, another missing person mystery dealing with Utah and Vegas, I will cover in the next post. The other is the story of a serial killer named Stephen Morin, who traveled from New York to California, then through Denver and Nevada before being caught in Texas. Yes, the places this guy lived and killed in are also places some of my admirers could twist into some kind of connection to me and LISK stuff, I’m not trying to confuse things, just pointing out again how connections don’t always work the way Fluke, MM7, and Dorothy would like to believe. There is also a victim with the middle name Marie, but again, this case is solved, so there are no real connections here, just the coincidental kind that are always there.

Still I found the story of Stephen Morin gripping and full of weird side stories which kept me chasing it all day, coming to a new surprise each time. I will first tell the story as it unfolded on my computer screen, then piece it together chronologically as it actually happened… I’m sure you will find it as intriguing and as screwed up as I did.

The first article I came across was about a woman named Sarah Pisan:

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Stalked-by-a-serial-killer–239340191.html

From there I found this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/15/usa.features11

Who is Chris Clark?  Even more so, who was his mom? I did not chase down his blog then but I did right now… it took me 3 clicks:

http://www.faultline.org/place/pinolecreek/archives/002196.html

http://faultline.org/

http://coyot.es/crossing/

Since I did not have this till now, and have not looked over the blog yet we will move on for now.

Next I read this:

http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m1/morin-stephen-peter.htm

And a few other things like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/03/13/us/texas-executes-drifter-who-killed-three-women.html

At this point I still had so many questions and read one more article about what had happened in Las Vegas:

http://tomdarby.me/2014/01/17/vegas-woman-stalked-by-serial-killer/

Wow, did he follow her to Texas? And where was his girlfriend during all of this… was she involved? Chris had said, “My mother and Ray went from town to town, San Francisco, Denver, Las Vegas, and into Texas.” So she was there the whole time. And though I’m thankful Margaret’s faith saved her, I don’t hold much for Stephen’s finding Jesus. Are we to believe God wiped his memory clean, leaving so many families to be left with no closure.

There was a lot more to this then I was reading. But from what I read, I got a good timeline.  Stephen and his girlfriend’s son Chris (who knew Stephen as Ray Constantine) got Steve’s van set up to rape and kill, then Steve and his girlfriend (Chris’ mom) went to San Fransisco, I wonder how many victims he left there before they ran to Denver. It say’s he was convicted of the murder of Sheila Whalen, whose body was found in Denver, so we know there was at least one victim there before they ran to Vegas where he terrorized Sarah Pisan and killed her friend Cheryl Ann Daniels, though he was not convicted of this murder and I couldn’t find a whole lot on it other than what is said in the articles above.

Police find Sarah’s name and address in a wallet left behind by the killer. They find out that Stephen had been trying to get Sarah to go out with him, though he told her his name was Robert Generoso. Sarah goes to Texas to hide because it is now obvious that this guy has an obsession with her and she is in danger. Stephen and his girlfriend (who I have to believe is also his accomplice, but have yet to read this…well tell just a minute ago, but I’ll get to that) go to Texas, chasing Sarah. He was convicted of killing 2 women in Texas, Janna Bruce and Carrie Marie Scott. He killed Carrie while trying to steal her car, shortly afterward he kidnapped his last victim, Margaret Palm. She survived by reading from her Bible and praying for Stephen’s soul. He was later caught and 4 years later put to death.

I realized there was more to all of this but that is where I left it. Remember I was chasing other stuff at the time, this was all a sidetrack, sort of, kind of, in a way.

I would like to read Sarah’s book, I know there is a lot more to her story:

https://www.facebook.com/SarahPisansStory

I also need to watch the episode of “Obsession: Dark Desires” dealing with this case.

I did find a few other things today while writing this, like the Chris Clark Coyote Crossing blog posted above and these:

http://www.metafilter.com/40959/The-Serial-Killer-Who-Hugged-Me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Morin

https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/serial-killer-stephen-morin/

That last one has most of the articles I chased all in one place, wish I had found that one first, lol.

I also found it mentioned on Reddit.com:

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialkillers/comments/1w0igw/vegas_woman_stalked_by_killer_stephen_morin_in/

But it was this blog that I found really interesting today:

https://eotd.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/13-march-1985-stephen-morin/

It was the comments that interested me… all to often it’s the comments where all the action is, we know this all to well:

serial killers- lolo

serial killer- las vegas

Who is this John? Is he the owner of the place where Sarah worked? Yes, I do need to read the books written on this. Lolo gives the name of Chris’ mom and Stephen’s girlfriend as Rita Xavier, so right now while finishing up this post I Googled it with Stephen’s name and this came up:

https://w1ng5.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/life-and-death/

Lolo comments there as well. I like Lolo.

Wow, the second thing I can find Googling Rita’s name is also comes up in a comment from Lolo to Chris:

http://waxbanks.typepad.com/blog/2005/04/wow.html

I can’t find anything that tells what happened to Rita, again I guess I need to do some more reading. But from what I read so far, I’m with Lolo, she had to have known something. And it sounds like people were still enabling this guy all the way up to his execution and even after his death.

What an involved case. The whole thing kept me chasing. I’m glad it has an ending, so many don’t…

I-80 Murder Mystery

While chasing the internet for more information on the girls killed in Las Vegas (previous post), I came across some other stories closer to home than my usual topics, I’d like to share these stories and my opinions on them if you don’t mind, I’m sure most of you don’t. And some of you may be able to spin it into your ongoing list of connected crimes, all leading back to me, Afroman. (sorry, I couldn’t resist)

I was trying to see if there was any other news on truck driver serial killers that could be connected to the girls in Vegas since their bodies were dropped off of highways in 3 separate states. I came across all sorts of  cases and stories of serial killer truck drivers, a subject I will have to cover in more detail at a later date. One story of a missing elderly man from Reno, Nevada caught my eye, so I went chasing:

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/15042343/i-team-is-a-serial-killer-hunting-motorists-in-northern-nevada

http://historyhelps-checkthisout.blogspot.com/2011/06/team-of-killers-operating-around-i-80.html

http://thenextpresidentvisitsnevada.blogspot.com/2012/02/serial-killer-loose-in-northern-nevada.html

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/truckers-news/169580-serial-killer-hunting-motorists-northern-nevada.html

http://www.blogaboutbigrigs.com/2011/08/i-80-serial-killer.html

Like with other cases, it is unsure if these disappearances are related, but it seems more than coincidental that Judith Casida’s car was found in the same spot as Pat’s. Coincidence is always in question it seems, when is a coincidence too much to be a coincidence? Some people believe there is a killer or killers behind at least some of these cases, and if that’s so, the case of missing person Pat Carnes and his dog Lucky needs to be shaken up till something falls, Pat was pulled over where he said he was following a trucker (them? like it was a couple) because they were heading the same way, this means Pat must have been in some kind of contact with that trucker before Pat was pulled over (that is if the cop isn’t a suspect in someway and misleading the whole thing, I know, very unlikely, but must be said). and sometime shortly after Pat and his dog vanish. No one has come forward to say they were that truck and had nothing to do with his disappearance, again, something like that seems to point that there is something to that truck Pat was following that night.

As with most cases, someone out there has information that could break this case, let’s hope someone does.

http://patcarnesmissing.com/category/find-pat-carnes/

Lost Girls In Las Vegas

Most of us went looking at the links Annie posted about 3 dead prostitutes and 1 still missing out of Las Vegas. I had not heard of the story before and therefore went chasing the internet for what I could find:

http://csafd.proboards.com/thread/2573/unsolved-lindsay-misty-jodi-jessica

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/police-ask-are-there-others

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2009/02/06/Jodi_Brewer_(19)_was_allegedly_murdered_by_a_serial_killer_who_is_stalking_Las_Vegas_area_prostitutes

I’m pretty sure I was accused of these murders by our good friend Dorothy at some point or another and will probably really get the idea stuck in her head now that I am posting about it. Let me get it out-of-the-way right up front, these cases were unknown to me untill Annie mentioned them. I’m not connected to these crimes or anyone involved in them anymore than all the others Dorothy has accused me of. But reading about them, there does seem to be similarities to the LISK and Atlantic City murders. Let’s discus them.

First off… four girls. We have 3 sets of 4 girls. Looks like a pattern, but that’s only if you make it fit. Yes, there were 4 girls found in Atlantic City and there were 4 girls found in Oak Beach… but that’s if you think Shannan’s death was not related to the other 4 girls… not to mention the other bodies and body parts found in the near by area of Oak Beach. They are called the  AC4 and the GB4, but Gilgo Beach really has more than 4 unanswered deaths.

Still, let’s say all the other bodies found in Long Island are not related tothe GB4 and therefore can be linked to Atlantic City and Las Vegas through that pattern of 4. Well, even then it doesn’t quite fit, AC4 were found together, GB4 were found together, 3 of the Las Vegas girls were found in 3 separate states and 1 of them was never found. In fact after reading about all these cases it looks as if maybe the girl who was never found, Jessica Louise Foster may not be related to the other 3 girls found dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120878/I-Jessie-Mothers-vows-searching-sketch-released-daughter-look-like-years-went-missing.html

I really feel the answers to what happened to Jessica lies with the  man she moved in with. He never reported Jessie missing from what I have read, that to me says it all… whether she was killed or sold into slavery, I would bet the boyfriend/pimp knows what happened. This may be not only an important observation on this case, but on many other similar cases.

So in my opinion the death of the 3 girls found are not related to Jessie’s disappearance, but that’s only because they do seem to be connected to each other and the result of a serial killer and not human trafficking disappearances. Let me try to explain what I mean.

As I have read into the LISK case and others like it, there seems to be 2 disturbing things going on… one is human trafficking, which is organized and involves groups of people, the other is serial killers who prey on prostitutes, less organized and usually involves only one person. Serial killers who prey on prostitutes do so because they are afraid, they are cowards at heart. They pick out their victims usually due to the fact that they are vulnerable and easy targets. There disappearances usually go unreported for long periods of times if they are reported at all. And once they are, it takes longer for police to get involved than the average missing person. They know all this and use it to their advantage because deep down they are weak, scared and pretty fucked up in the head. Of course some may have reasons for chosing prostitutes, issues with their moms or and ex girlfriend or something, but most do it because they it’s easy. As sad as that is, it’s the way it is.

Human traffickers do what they do for money, and are part of big groups that may have help from powerful people in the shadows of  the darkest parts of the world. These are the people who scare me, these groups seem to be above the law and hidden from everyone… but we know they are there.

So, if Jessie was a victim of human trafficking we may never know what happened to her, but again, I bet her pimp/boyfriend knows.

Now as for the other 3 girls, why do I feel they are the victim of a serial killer and not a human trafficking group, well it’s mainly because they were found… but not just that. They were thrown off the side of highways, serial killers like to do this. I think professional groups can make you disappear, bottom line, scary, but true.

Now here’s where we get back into LISK similarities, all 3 of the girls found were dismembered. Some body parts were found, others weren’t. They also all had the same middle name, Marie, which was Shannan’s middle name, and I believe all of them had tattoos.

I don’t know what to make of the middle name thing, I truly doubt that there is any connection between these 3 girls in Vegas and Shannan, just another coincidence that seems to surround Shannan’s disappearance and death, but I’m not sure that the fact that all 3 girls had the same middle name are not connected in some way, seems way to much to just accept as no meaning at all.  And again, seems like a serial killer thing more than a human trafficking thing.

Now the tattoo thing is something I want to talk about. I’ve heard many say they think the LISK murders has something to do with tattoos. This is because so many of the girls had them, in fact Peaches is called by her tattoo. And some of the Vegas girls were identified due to their tattoos just as some of the Long Island girls. I have to point out that these girls are not only in the sex for money scene, but drug scenes as well… and let’s face it, most people in either of these scenes have tattoos, that’s just the way it is. I don’t think any of these murders are connected to tattoos but I do wonder if the body parts left, were left because of the tattoos so that they could be identified. In other words there may be something to the tattoos, but what is unsure. It can definitely say something about the killer or killers though.

The fact that all 3 girls were found off the highway miles apart (one in Vegas, one in California, and one in Illinois) could mean the killer is a truck driver, picking up their victims as they drive through Vegas, then killing and dumping the bodies later along their trip. But where are they cutting the bodies up, in their truck? In a motel bathroom? And what is done with the rest of the bodies?

Definitely many questions here. But there was one thing that stood out to me. Lindsay Marie Harris.

All these girls came from somewhere else to Vegas, Lindsay came from New York. Which of course stood out to me since I’m used to reading about everything linking back to New York. And she didn’t come here alone. Her “boyfriend” brought her here. His name is Solomon Barron. He was conveniently back in New York when Lindsay disappeared.

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Well something about that didn’t sit right, so I went searching to see if there was more on this Solomon Barron, and sure enough:

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/12091381/man-linked-to-unsolved-murder-arrested-on-prostitution-related-charges

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There ya go Dorothy, a real New York/Las Vegas connection. This guy was running girls across America to pimp them out. It makes me rethink my serial killer belief… maybe they were all killed for reasons other than some sick coward with women issues. I definitely think Mr. Barron should be furthered question about the death of Lindsay and the others.

In the end it doesn’t matter who is responsible for the deaths of these and the many other “working” girls who wind of murdered and their killers unknown. A serial killer or sex slave groups. Regardless, the cases do not seem to be taken seriously enough and all to often early leads are lost because of this. These “Lost Girls” were daughters, sisters, and mothers. Their deaths impact others just as anyones death does. Their murders deserved to be solved as much as any other murder. Their killers need to be caught just as any killer does. And like many of the other issues I attempt to tackle here on Zero’s World, I don’t think the world is discussing these things loud enough.

http://www.lasvegasworldnews.com/why-do-women-choose-street-prostitution-in-las-vegas/11331

The deep, dark side of human trafficking needs to be exposed and brought out of the shadows. People should not be forced  or manipulated into a life that leaves them to be vulnerable to cowards and psychopaths. Slavery may be good enough for the Bible, but it is not good enough for a world that is to continue on. And once again I wonder, are we to continue on? I hope so.

UPDATE:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neal-falls-las-vegas-dismemberments_us_55b08bc4e4b0a9b94853b60c

This only brings up more questions and possible connections. 

Chronicles of Crazy

So for those of you who read the comments here (and you really should, they aren’t what they used to be, but they still have a lot going on in them from time to time), you know I joked about chronicling  all of this once again, I lost count how many times I’ve done it, but it just keeps seeming necessary. I swear it was a joke, I said it would be up tomorrow (which, since that was yesterday, that would mean today) poking fun of how Dorothy is always going to the FBI “tomorrow”. Seems, unlike in Dorothy’s world, here in Zero’s World, tomorrow does actually come.

Please follow along, because it may be the last time I go through all this:

I came across Longislandserialkiller.com early 2012, which led me to the blog “Catching LISK” by Mysterymom7. Both places had lots of comments from people who seemed to be playing games, IMO. After a short time, Joey Scalise Jr. aka Flukyou and Cristin Kennedy aka Mysterymom7 came to the front of everything I was reading. Flukeyou and Mysterymom7 were trying to convince everyone that Doctor Hackett was a serial killer and was stalking MM7 and trying to stop them and others online from exposing the truth.

I learned of Dorothy Price Hill through MM7’s blog and she soon was sending me all sorts of emails telling me her husband was the killer and a list of “criminals” involved a mile long.

I then met Jen, who told me she knew  Joey, Dorothy, and Cristin. She told me Cristin was a liar and she had proof. Which she did. She also told me Joey was probably a serial killer, but she had no real proof of this.

Jen had some good stuff at first, showing how Cristin and Dorothy lied about some things. But then she went way out there talking about spoof calls and secrets her friends were keeping about Joey.

This is how I first got involved. If it sounds familiar, it’s because I’ve said all of this before.

I was very curious about all of this, and my searching took me to other places, and to other strange people. Murt and Michelle McKee and everyone at Radionewz. These people were connected to Anonymous, and I admit my curiosity grew, because I always planned on blogging more about Anonymous, hopefully I’ll get there someday while they are still around.

It also led me to other cases being used by some on the internet in ways that clouded what was really going on. Cases like The Steubenville Rape Case and the disappearance of Hailey Cummings.

This last one led me to other such questionable people like William “Cobra” Stubs.

So here I am in contact with some questionable people. And some of them didn’t like me poking my head in, and so I became the one responsible for all the confusion, me the guy trying to figure it all out.

Of course questionable people keep being thrown at me… Nancy Evans Figat… yea that has been a rough ride… Bill W. and all his lemmings… Jesus Christ, that brought me to a whole new world of crazies.

There was Sussie S. and Candyce B. as well, although I never spoke with Sussie and Candyce was pretty hostile from the get-go. Another one quick to accuse me keeping the games going when so many had stories of the games she played throughout it. Besides all the LISK.com people who warned me about her, at least 2 of her ex boyfriends have found their way to the blog and had warnings as well.

Let’s not forget Websleuths… lots of crazy stuff going on there, trust me on that.

Look, I’ve said this all before… I’ve explained over and over how I came to all this and why I continue to write about it all.

Main reason was curiosity, nothing more, nothing less.

And although there are now many reasons I continue, I’m still mainly, just curious.

I, unlike many of you, have no agendas. Nor am I prescribed by a doctor to take medication, or worse, skipping the meds prescribed. I’m just writing about the things I see on the internet, yea, I joined some of the games when I created this blog, but that’s only because it was the only way to understand some of you, which by the way, some of you, I do understand… some of the rest of you, we got a long way to go. Bottom line (I like that much more than the way over used “at the end of the day”) is I’m not a part of the games you all play, I’m just chronicling them from time to time.

Yet some of you just won’t see through to reality. And one of you just keeps asking the same question even though I keep answering it:

 

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You keep asking this and I keep explaining it. I hope everyone understands now, if not please let me know where I need to clear something up. I’m nothing but patient.

Let’s move forward… or back… yes back to the Dorothy/Kate PMs… I have to get some of these off my chest and out of my head…

Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead

Did you enjoy the show?

Well it continues on right here!

So yes, I played pretend with Dorothy, I pretended to be someone in the Nut Gallery and she pretended to make sense.

It all started back in November when someone wrote me saying, “It’s to bad we don’t have a spy to see exactly what Dorothy is saying to her wacko gang of blind believers”. Alright I may be paraphrasing here, but the point was made. And I decided to go for it. Kate Carter was enlisted as a ZW Spy!

And so it began:

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I know, very deceiving… but that’s how a spy must work. And in the end, it did work.

Want to know if Dorothy is still dropping names of those she once worked with? Want to know if she is still dropping names of people she feels wronged by? Want to know if the crap she is saying would be believed by any rational human being? Well I have those answers now. It’s all in over 300 snap shots of Facebook private messages between Katie and Dorothy. Lots of it is stuff you’ve heard before, some of it is not. All of it is crap. By the way, I did believe someone was trying to hurt Nancy… Dorothy!

I will be posting some of it here over the next week. But not all of it. Some of it attacks people very personally and I don’t want to post all of that publicly. Though some of what I post will not be easy for some of you.

There is another reason why I will be holding some of the conversation back… which brings us to our first clip:

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Seems Dorothy and her family don’t like having done to them what we all know she has done to others. How Christian of them. Well just in case Dorothy’s mother or anyone else in that family really thinks I am the one who is to blame for all their personal stuff being put out there instead of who we all know is responsible for airing all their dirty laundry, both real and made up… just in case they have an attorney willing to jump into the Nut Gallery, I don’t want to broadcast all I have as a defense.

That first clip I just posted, which came in the middle of January leads right into a group of clips I have that I’m calling, “I’m going to the FBI tomorrow”. Seems Dorothy really loves to use that line:

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That’s the first time she mentions it… late December.

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That’s from early January.

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That’s from the middle of January. And from there, it seems like every couple of days, Dorothy was going to the FBI about me:

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Which was funny because sometimes, in between, she talked as if she already went to the FBI:

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If Kate had been a real person, there would have been many places where she would have called Dorothy on her bullshit. But Kate is faker than the fakest of you out there… a spy whose job was to listen.

Still, what does that say about those who listen to Dorothy and her ridiculous stories? What is wrong with these people who not only  don’t see through the crap but also encourage her?!?

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Anyone still encouraging Dorothy needs to pay attention to this next part. Some of the people who worked with Dorothy at some point or made the mistake of being close to her are now wrapped up in her endless, mindless, internet chatter:

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There is tons of stuff like that. I have shared stuff like this with both Mr. Wolff and Jennifer in the past because they both told me they planned on suing Dorothy. So far, it hasn’t stopped her. But if either of you want to have your lawyer contact me… you are the ones that she really says the most damaging stuff about and I’d love to share it all with your attorneys.

I want to really stress a point, she is not just posting this crap in public, she sends it to whoever will listen. She had no idea who Kate was, in fact on January 29th, just a few days ago and three months into our correspondence she asked Kate this:

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She doesn’t even know why Kate is involved, though I did explain to her at the beginning as you saw. This I believe is because she sends the same kinds of shit out to everyone not knowing or caring who they are.

In one message she calls me Donna:

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She had a lot to say about our phone call, all lies of course, but I’m saving that for another post. Let’s look at another part where I wasn’t sure she realized who she was messaging:

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WTF? She was talking to Kate, right? Or does she send these out in some kind of “chain” mails? Here’s one that shows exactly what I mean:

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She is sending all this stuff out to who knows who. And if they aren’t seeing through it like any rational person would, well then they are obviously not rational people… and that means this is at a whole new kind of scary.

There’s more… lots more.

And you will get to see most of it…

For 3 obvious reasons:

One, to get at Dorothy… I mean that’s a given… she deserves some big time payback!

Two, to hopefully show some of you in the Nut Gallery listening to this insane babel, how messed up Dorothy really is and how people are being affected by it.

And the third and most important reason, to help all those who are affected by Dorothy’s hurtful lies and slander. Be it to show you what she is passing around to people she doesn’t even know or to give to your attorneys if anyone ever does decide enough is enough.

Because although I am making light of all this with a super bowl halftime show…

What Dorothy is doing is dangerous and criminal and does need to be stopped.

Until then, I have lots of sharing to do!

 

Being Sued By A Not So Mystery Mom

A few times this week I have woke up to emails from Mysterymom7 threatening to sue me. If you don’t know who Mysterymom7 is, she was the author of a blog called “Catching LISK”. In this blog, among other things she claimed she was being stalked by Dr. Hackett. If you don’t know who Dr. Hackett is, he is a POI (person of interest) in the Long Island Serial Killer case. In 2010 a girl named Shannan Gilbert went missing in a Long Island neighborhood and was later found dead in the marsh nearby. But not before many other bodies were found. It is a sad and strange case and if you don’t know the story I highly recommend you check out one of the 48 hours on the subject:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-long-island-serial-killer-50126790/

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/long-island-serial-killer

You can also check out my 3 part blog I wrote on the Red & Black when I first came across Mysterymom7’s blog: http://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/catfish-serial-killers-part-1/

Dr. Hackett is being sued by Shannan’s mom for wrongful death.  There are questions of whether he saw Shannan the night she disappeared . I shouldn’t have to tell you that if you watched the 48 hour stuff.

So as you see in my link to my other blog, I saw Mysterymom7’s blog and thought, wow, something is going on here, is she really being stalked. And if so is this guy a serial killer. According to her blog he was.  Mysterymom7 had many posts showing why she was SO sure that not only was he a serial killer but stalking her because of all the info she was finding on him to link him to all sorts of criminal activities.

I started my own blog about her blog as well as the Longislandserialkiller.com site where most of this really started. after a lot of reading of comments and posts and quite a few posts of my own in my blog, I came to the conclusion that I just didn’t buy her blog. I thought the whole thing was probably a fake. I don’t believe any one was stalking her. I don’t believe in her stories of drones, or phony phone calls. I think it all was a game. And I’d tell you to go read it for yourself and decide for yourself, but she took the blog down once more and more people started calling it a hoax.

There’s actually a lot more to it and I’d tell you to go to my LISK blog (link on side under “My Stuff”) but today I decided to temporarily take it down. Why? Well that brings us back to my email threats. Seems the Mystery Mom who had a blog where she called people killers, stalkers, and other criminal activities is now suing me for some reason I still don’t understand. Here is her latest email threatening to sue me:

It took me 2 hours to find out your real name once I decided I was going to sue you. I had never bothered to look into you, your family, your work, your children, or anything about you until you left me no other choice. I didn’t get any info from anyone else. Since I have your real name and address, it will take a lot less time to bring a lawsuit to court. I don’t have to jump through any hoops.

You know your information could be twisted far worse than mine, and would be in the wrong hands. Sit with that feeling (and add (name withheld for now) into that feeling) like I have for the past year. You have no connection to the LISK case other than curiosity. The same as myself. You’re still sitting with your anonymity online. I’m not. You have the power to stop the name dropping, but you’re making the choice to keep it going for your own entertainment. I’m not a victim. I’m an innocent bystander that jumped in to try to help and you’re allowing to be attached to this case in a way that is false and damaging.

So first off, you wrote a name in your email that I left out of this post, but I’m not sure who or what is ment by it. I know a few people with that name so please be more specific in who you are referring to MM7. And what do you mean by “and add that person into that feeling” I’m very curious about what this means.

Ok Mysterymom7, you want to email me threats and look into my personal life and what ever else because you feel I have wronged you because I did not believe in you fairy tale blog, do I have this correct?

As childish as I think you are being, I’m willing to hear what your lawyer thinks is illegal about my LISK blog or what it is you feel you can sue me over.  I’ve even taken the blog down so in case there is something that needs to be removed it will be done before the blog returns.

How long do you need for you lawyer to contact me? You now have my name, phone number, and address I believe (scary).  So I say a week is good, yes?

I will leave the blog down for a week so you can see your lawyer and have them contact me.

 

Zero’s World On Facebook

Thank’s doc, I’ll try to put my Id on a leash and keep it together. No promises though.

So welcome to any new readers. If some of you are on the Cicada Hunt I hope you are doing well there.

A new place has jumped on to “My Stuff” on the side, https://www.facebook.com/zerosworld, it is the Facebook page for this blog. Check it out, it’s gotten quite interesting in there. At the moment we have 3 (yes 3) people in there who just might need to take a seat on the couch. More skits coming I guess.

We have John Doe, the self-proclaimed fan of the LISK case.

We also have Dorothy Price Hill, the lady who connects anyone and everyone to a serial killer working the east coast.

And last (and probably least) we have Nancy Evans Figat, who, well I don’t know much about her, But Dorothy says Nancy’s ex is involved with Dr. Hackett and Brewer. Something Dorothy has also said about her ex.

Although I will tell you, Dorothy yanks her comments pretty quick so I don’t know how long her’s will be there. Still, if you are looking for more insights on my blogs and the people who are in them, check out Zero’s World Facebook!