You Can’t Win

I think we need a little break. Everyone is so upset and I feel a little responsible. So how about a nice sing along… it’s been a while since we had a good one. This one is my favorite song from The Wiz, “The Crow Anthem”. So hit play on the Michael Jackson video, the lyrics are down below. Hear it, sing it, feel it! Because, “you can’t win, you can’t break even, and you can’t get out of the game…”

[Verse 1]
You can’t win, you can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game
People keep saying things are going to change
But they look just like they’re staying the same
You can’t win, get over your head
And you only have yourself to blame

[Chorus: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, chile (You can’t win chile)
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Verse 2: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, the world keeps moving
And you’re standing far behind
People keep saying, things will get better
(Just to ease your state of mind)
(So you lean back)(And you smoke that smoke)
(And you drink your glass of wine)

[Chorus]
Sayin’ you can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Bridge: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, you can’t win no way
If your story stays the same
(You ain’t winning) No, no
(But it’s nice to see you, I’m awfully glad you came)
(Better cool it, cause it ain’t about losin’)
Then the world has got no shame

[Chorus]
You can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game

[Verse 3: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, you can’t break even
Ain’t the way it’s supposed to be
(You’ll be spending) No, no, oh
(Your little bit of money)
While someone else rides for free
(Learn your lesson) Ooo
(Refuel your mind before some turkey blows out your flame)

[Outro: Michael Jackson (The Crows)]
You can’t win, chile
(No, you can’t win) [4x]

You can’t win, chile
You can’t break even
And you can’t get out of the game
You can’t get out of the game
You can’t get out, woo, of the game, no, no

Catechizing The LISK Murders

As many of you know I’ve been clashing with quite a few people and places out there lately. Yes, I bet Websleuths and all its Sleuthers are not crazy about my blog anymore. But they are still crazy, lol.

There are other places, secret Facebook pages, LISK groups, and such. I try to give them all the benefit of the doubt, but they all seem to be infested with nuts. Well I just found a place I hadn’t seen before and it has to be the most dangerous of them all right now…

I can not sit by quietly while this happens!

This group has to be exposed before something really bad happens. I only hope I’m not too late!

The group page is :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1004493239676354/

And it’s run by someone named Kim Vest:

https://www.facebook.com/kim.vest.353?fref=nf

I’m gonna call it straight out before I go any further, Kim seems like a member of the nut gallery. In fact I would bet on it. And it’s not just comments like these:

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Does she really think because 2 people are Asian that means they are probably friends? Yea sorry Kim, that’s a nutty thing to say. But that’s not why I say she’s in the nut gallery. It’s also not because she has nutty arguments with other nutty people:

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How familiar does this look to a lot of you?  This stuff is going on in so many LISK groups and pages. I’m not gonna get into all the parallels of what so many are involved in right now… but you see it right?

So Kim has a LISK group where she says some nutty things and has some nutty commenters who  I’m guessing came over from a Casey Anthony page. Yes, seen it all before… it screams crazy! But none of this is why I think Kim is part of the nut gallery and none of that is why I feel an urgency to point out what is happening on this page.

First off there is this:

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There ya go… the leader of the nut gallery, Dorothy Price Hill. But it get’s worse:

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Is everyone seeing this? Jerry the stalker has met Dorothy the queen LISK nut. This is bad. And it’s not just because these 2 could be very dangerous if they start working together, but as many of us know and you can see right there, Jerry thinks he knows who LISK is. If you have been paying close attention, everyone reading here knows who Jerry believes LISK is. But there is lots about Jerry you don’t know. But don’t worry, by the end of this post you will all know plenty. First though back to Kim’s little group. Jerry made his way there just the other day:

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That little fucker is talking about me. You little shit. I have said many times I’m no hero. I’m a fucking villain. I’m your villain now you little creep. Also to imply I make any money off this blog or the LISK case is so beyond stupid. This blog isn’t even a LISK blog, it’s primarily about internet nuts who screw with people. If you actually read it you’d know that, dumb-ass. LOL, yea, Jerry Jamie Hall is getting under my skin a little. Don’t worry though, I’m ’bout to scratch. One last thing ass-wipe, Zero’s World is one of the few places that has named this person you are talking about. And I would have gone deeper into it, but it is part of an active investigation. Going into it all in further detail could jeopardize it, if, and I say IF it pans out to a real LISK connection.

Now back to Kim’s groups. It’s a good thing I saw this today… because I’m telling you this is not good! Just look at the 3 of them together:

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Man, I’m not liking where any of this is going. And since I know exactly what has been going on behind the scenes and what Jerry stumbled into… Damn, I just don’t know what to do here, where to start and how much has to be said. To start with read this:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/jerry-hallech/

Also let’s just get this up:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

So Jerry or Jamie or what ever this creeps real name is got himself wrapped up in LISK by harassing the girl in this video. Both Jerry and the girl from this video have given me copies of some of their conversation. And yes, some of it confirms what many are hinting at… right plottmaster?  But let me make this clear, it’s all being looked at, and it has to be. Jerry running around harassing people, dropping hints, talking to other nuts, and having his friends send out links and snapshots of conversations is not helping anyone solve LISK. And if you are working with him… you are making a dangerous mistake.

What you don’t know is Jerry stalks and harasses females on the internet. So regardless of what he thinks he knows about the LISK case you do not want to let this guy into your life in any way.

Jerry and Jamie are fake names, and he likes  to use fake names. Let’s take a closer look at the Jerry account:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

I really like his intro:

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Damn that’s funny. Coming from a guy who very much has bullied a few people lately. Listen, most of you know I wouldn’t say this if I didn’t truly believe this guy was dangerous… STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

I have now spoken to several people who say that he has stalked or harassed them. Wanting them to help him:

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He than latches on whether you try to ignore him or talk to him. He send’s this video to lots of different women claiming he made it for them:

I told ya… creepy with a capital CREEP! Does he really think “God Save The Queen” is romantic. I don’t know who Jerry made this video for, but I know he has sent it to at least a few ladies.

By the way Jerry belongs to many pages… did you notice this one?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/106138616389709/?order=&member_query=jerry&view=members

Yep, that’s our CREEPer:

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And just in case you don’t know what that group is:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achterdam_(Alkmaar)&prev=search

CREEPer!

OK, he sends different pictures out when he is tries to take someone into his madness:

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That’s not very clear. how about this one:

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There ya are. Well if that’s really him in the video. This guy is so crazy I don’t know how far he gets into his catfishing games. I mean this guy  is  wacko. But I think it is him in the video and that means that’s him next to Iron Man. I still don’t know who he is or what his real name is… but again, trust me, he is playing some strange games and you don’t want to be a part of it.

Now as I said in my last post about this nut, he had some “friend” contact me and give me info on his LISK POI and some of his stalking private messages between Jerry and the lady from John Ray’s conference. I’d like to post them all… plus the ones she sent me as well… it shows just how Jerry works. But I can’t there is sensitive stuff in it and I am not about to interfere with this case like some of you nuts. This friend who Jerry had contact me is the only connection to this scary internet stalker (and you know I don’t use that phrase lightly), his name is Hayden Lufkin:

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And let me tell you Hayden, by sending me the stuff “Jerry” asked you to send me, you interfered with an open serial killer case. I’m not joking either. Did you read any of that stuff you sent me? You need to step up and stop your so-called “friend” from these games he is playing. Not help him play them.

Again, the stuff Jerry Jamie Hall thinks he knows about LISK is already out there. It’s on this blog! You don’t need him. So don’t work with him. He is dangerous! And not like Dorothy or Susie or the other slanderous nuts. This guy has issues and he is looking for some unlucky lady to help him with them (did I mention he says he is married?). So for those of you who continue on and find out for your self. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.

That’s where I have to leave this for now… this guy is crazy, he has weaseled his way into the LISK case, and now thanks to Kim he just met Dorothy Price Hill.

Jerry Hall-ech!

Alright, time to crack another nut:

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Holly shit, new background pic! That reminds me, Hawkshaw changed his avatar pic not to long ago:

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Wait a minute… take a look at my Facebook pic:

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LMFAO! They all want to be me.

Alright so I hear  this Jerry guy is telling people I contacted him. Fucking nut. Why do that to yourself? I didn’t even give a shit about you. You were under my radar, just some fake screen name trying to milk people for what they know. Yea, I saw your posts:

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They were everywhere:

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Plus people were talking about you. Yep… you start playing, people start talking… without it I blog about Trump, it’s a simple as that.

So I heard about Jerry and I was glad I hadn’t heard from him. From all I heard I figured he was another nut. But like all the other nuts, Jerry went and got himself all wrapped up in the LISK case. And someone put him in my direction. Thanks a lot. LOL, actually I’m very happy Jerry wrote me. But let’s clear up his little lie, I did not contact him, he contacted me and told me to contact him:

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And then there was a ton of other shit. Pictures and screen shots of conversations. TONS of it! And all before I had even seen he messaged me, let alone answered him. Yep, fucking nut. But none of this is new to anyone… I just posted about what that other nut Plottmaster wrote back in October of last year:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/plottmasteram/

Fuck you Jerry! You are a nut! And quite the little stalker, huh? Plus like so many I encounter in the LISK world, you got a touch of the “bi-polar excuse”, dontcha? You write “please don’t share” and then in the very next thing you wrote, you said, “destroy this bastard”. I know you want me to do your dirty work… but there’s a lot more going on here… I get that. So let’s go slow, alright.

Jerry is persistent, all the nuts are. He even got some “friend” to contact me:

hayden

And this guy again, not waiting for a reply, sent me a ton of screen shots. Is Jerry for real? I don’t think he is. In fact he told me his Jerry Hallech name was fake… duh. But not very original, huh? It sounds a lot like Jamie Hall. That’s your real name, huh Jerry?  Or is Jaime not even the final stop in your list of aliases? I know this one was you:

jackson-hope

The Joker? LMFAO… nope just a joke. I like how you use the same Initials in all your fake screen names. 3 names all with the initials J.H.: Jerry Hallech, Jackson Hope, and Jaime Hall. Which is why I am unsure about this guy:

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See… the initials aren’t J.H. Is this you Jaime? Or did you really get some dumb friend to send me a bunch of screen shots of a conversation between you and…

Yea, not so fast. We are taking this slow. I don’t want any of the attention to be pulled away from Jerry Jamie Hope (LMFAO, you’d think by now someone would read my blog before getting stupid with me). This Hayden Lufkin looks like a pretty real account too. And the pictures on the account are not Jamie (yes Jaime, I have seen a picture of you). Damn, I really think Jamie got his dumb friend right in the middle of this:

hayden-mate

Man, each new one gets dumber than the last one. Jaime, you got your buddy right into the center of  the shit you stepped in. Why, man, why? But then again why would you go around telling people I contacted you and that we are working together? Fucking dope.

Look he just liked the last post:

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Oh shit, is that funny. He didn’t know this was coming I guess. I thought the song and “Joker” reference would be good enough clues, but Jerry Jamie Hope is not playing with a full deck (are any of these nuts?). So stay away from him. And Jerry, stop being such a creepy little stalker.

Alright where to next?

Let’s Get Down To Bussiness

“Let’s get down to business
I don’t got no time to play around what is this?
Must be a circus in town, let’s shut the shit down
On these clowns, can I get a witness?”

Oh no, he’s quoting Eminem lyrics, this isn’t gonna be good. Shall we get started?

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I have posted this e-mail before (Dorothy often began her e-mails with “DO NOT POST THIS ON YOU BLOG”, and I just get a kick out of posting them, in fact Dorothy I may put all your e-mails in a book someday… pipe, smoke it, you know the drill Dottie) and I have gone over how most of these names meant nothing to me back then, but with hindsight, you can see it all at work.

I’m not gonna get into all of that old stuff again. But you are all welcome to read through the e-mail and get what you want out of it, there is plenty to discuss there (and like I said we have discussed a lot of it already). I want to focus on one line from that name dropping masterpiece:

“Cristin also had me meet former NYPD Pete Fiorello. He knows ALOT about corruption in Suffolk County.”

This is where we are gonna start.

At the time I had no idea who Pete  was. And there were so many names. But this one would come up again and again. Dorothy said he was a detective she worked with and she mentions him a lot. From what I  know (and I know a lot) Pete worked with Dorothy and Cristin… so that already is a bad start. So working with Dorothy… strike 1.

As I looked more in to this Pete guy I saw that he was once indeed a cop, I started wondering if he was PS149… he isn’t. The more I looked into him I realized he was another one of these nuts who is obsessed with their LISK POI. I mean Fluke has nothing on Pete. POI obsession… strike 2.

But then Cristin brought the ex cop up to me back when Dorothy started doxing me. LOL, well she tried anyways, but she never believed any of the real stuff about me, not when the stuff she made up was so much better for her delusional agenda. Still, Cristin had called me, wanting to ensure me she did not pass any info about me on to Dorothy. I wasn’t too upset, I had let plenty enough personal info of me slip through, that it wasn’t to hard for anyone to figure out who I was. Shit, it only took Son Of Man a few hours once he started looking. I wanted people to know I was just who I said I was… it made it easier to see through Dorothy’s tangled web of what I have always called, Dorothy Dog Shit. I’m getting off track… let me jump back on… So Cristin said she didn’t think Dorothy found anything on her own. Even though I said to her all I just wrote here, she still didn’t think Dorothy could have figured it out by herself. Cristin then mentioned a detective that Dorothy worked with… guess who? Yep… Petey!  Since then Dorothy herself had mentioned Pete helped her with putting together some kind of dossier on me that she has turned into the FBI. LMFAO! So it seems like this Pete guy, this ex cop, wannabe detective, looked into me for the queen nut troll herself, Dorothy Price Hill. That’s a big strike 3!

But Dorothy says in the e-mail above that it was Cristin who introduced Pete to her. So how much did Cristin work with Pete? And although Cristin insisted she never discussed me with Dorothy, there are many places where Dorothy has said they looked up things on me together. And I’m pretty sure they did. Some of my friends that Dorothy went after in comments I know came from stuff Cristin looked up (‘Member Tattoo Mike? Yea, I member).

So for a while now I have been keeping Pete on the back burner, seeing where he stood in all this and why he would work with a nut like Dorothy. So far I have not met one credible person who worked with Dorothy. Remember that list includes, Jen, Fluke, and MM7. Well, Pete, it’s time to come off that back burner. Welcome to the blog!

It will be nice to have someone new to write about, I know everyone is tired of Fluke and Dorothy. I have covered that side of it in quite detail. It’s time to take a look at the other side… the side that followed that group of nuts from Websleuths to LISK.com to Catching LISK and finally to my blogs, where they would all scatter. We can’t discus that side without bringing up NERD or PS149. And right here I did bring them up. I had a few things posted here that I had figured out. Some of it was wrong, but enough of it was dead on. Since this post has been sitting around all year this is part that I decided to take out since NERD contacted me  a few weeks back and came clean. Yea, lots of what I had written here was right on. Thank you to those who helped me along the way. NERD, I wanted desperately to know who you were. Now I do, so there is no need to go on any more about this. I’ll just say PS149 is not Hackett, as if I even have to say that, lol. I really don’t think it matters much, other than MM7, I think I was the only one concerned with who NERD was. And that was mainly because I thought they could be some help figuring out some of the Websleuthers involved in the game aspect of this. All in all  the stuff we talked about leads right to where I knew it all really began. Websleuths! And that’s just where this post went next:

When I first started blogging about LISK.com, people told me I should check out Websleuths. They said that’s where Fluke and MM7’s games really started. From there, feelings on Websleuths were mixed. Some said it was just as bad as LISK.com with  clicky commenters who pounce on ya if you ain’t part of their group. They said it was full of self-righteous trolls  and so-called insiders playing all three sides of the coin (front, back, and the circular rim). While others told me that Websleuths was full of good people just trying to help and that it’s moderators do their best keeping out the trolls. Both sides were right. Although it would be a while before I would finally check out Websleuths and see this for myself. You see at the time there had been some issues at Websleuths. There was an inner fight between the sites owners. As well as an issue with some of its sleuths sleuthing each other, which resulted in a handful of them (including Flukeyou and MM7) being kicked off the site. The site also went through some operational changes making it only possible to read on the site if you made an account for it. Just knowing that much about it kept me away. I had enough dealing with the screen names of LISK.com and Catching LISK, I had no intentions of going through countless more on another site.

I would eventually make a Websleuths account though. And yes, there are some good people there and yes some of the moderators try to keep the troll games away. But it’s no different from any other place on the internet and has seemed to fall way to catfish and sock puppets. I know a lot of you are gonna argue with me on this point. Tell me that Websleuths has helped solve cases, identify Johns and Janes, and gives arm-chair detectives a chance to get together and help. All very, true but dosen’t chance what I just said about it. Let me remind you… Jennifer G. is on Websleuths. Flukeyou was on Websleuths were made such a mess they kicked him off. Cristin and Candyce were on Websleuths, were kicked off, but they both told me they just made new accounts and got back on. So this is the types of sleuths setting the stage for its threads. And although I have really only checked out the LISK threads, I am told this kind of stuff goes on in other threads as well.

And before you try to say that’s just a small handful who were quickly kicked out (and then went right back in), let me move on with this post and get to the good stuff. The Websleuthers who may have connections to Dorothy. They may have been some of those screen names that followed over to Cristin’s blog, because it had a few Websleuthers there, that I’m sure of. They are definitely candidates for the nut gallery. And they are definitely playing the same types of games as Dorothy, Joe Jr, Jen, and Cristin.

Let’s start with To Kill A Mockingbird, aka kitty katy, aka Alice Cooper aka Oak Beach, aka Chris Lovejoy, and countless other screen names. You don’t know how long I have been wanting to deal with you. You seem more bi-polar than anyone I know involved in this, and let’s not forget, we had the likes of Nancy, Son Of Man, and Dorothy Price Hill. You outshine them all!  And it’s not just the multiple screen names you use all over social media. One minute you are helping John Ray and the next you are trashing him. You claim you were friends with Mari but you call the Gilberts liars. You claim to have all sorts of inside information that can prove what really happened to Shannan, but every time you put something up, you quickly yank it down. You go around telling everybody how wrong they are, but what have you done? You say you’ve done so much and I agree. You’ve done plenty to fuck with people. Well, we are about to get way up in your shit sweetie. I’m pretty sure you saw it coming though. I definitely have left some clues. Welcome to the blog TKAMB!

Now most of you don’t know this, but TKAMB sometimes works with another Websleuths member you know as Hawkshaw. They make quite the dynamic duel. Hawkshaw, I’d welcome you to the blog, but I already did that up above.

Who else? Hoot Owl? Yea, what’s your connection to Dorothy? Or is it TKAMB? I can’t shake the felling you are one of them or know one of them… You definitely like to play games like one of them. Why? Feel free to answer anytime. Oh, and welcome to the blog! Though I have a feeling I also already welcomed you above.

That leaves us with MCME. I have been watching you for a while. You claim to be an Oak beach insider… and that may just be true. All the more reason for me to keep my eye on you. A few names have come up on who you might be (It’s great how you all sleuth each other, it makes it so much easier for me). One of those names is a familiar one and keeps coming up. I’m not gonna drop it though… I’m trying hard not to be a name dropper like Dorothy up there in that email. Besides when you let enough time pass, most of you out yourselves or one of your buddies do it for ya. MCME, you have said (wrote) a few things over the years that have me wondering about you. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it you who said you walked your dog in the marsh where Shannan would later be found? Didn’t you say she wasn’t there? I find these comments hard to believe. And if I’m right and you did make those comments, well that just makes me wonder if you are connected to any of these other nuts. If I am remembering wrong and you did not make those comments, please let me know, I don’t want to be putting out wrong information. Either way, welcome to the blog!

As I sit here reading over this post and coming up with some clever way to end it, something like I’m here to remind you that bullshit does not pay (it’s from the Eminem song above, don’t tell me you didn’t listen to it, go, listen to it) Anyways, as I sit here looking at this post I know that once I hit the “Publish” button I am opening up a whole new can of worms. Heading deeper into that rabbit hole. Peeling another layer off that onion.

I’m my own worst enemy.