The Truth About The CCC Part 3

If you read part 2 of this CCC trilogy, you know you were supposed to forget all about part 1. So you probably forgot about DPH and MM7 looking into UG and CCC and coming out with tales of Hackett and Dorothy’s ex husband. Tales of how Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were part of The CCC as well as playing some copy cat murder game against each other over some jealousy thing. You also probably forgot about all the screen names claiming to be part of The CCC coming to my blog and giving me no choice but to look deeper into UG and The CCC. And that’s good that you don’t remember any of that. It’s not needed to see the truth about The CCC. You can read part 2 and go away with what is FACT and can be proven by their own posts and comments on Utopia Guide.

So if you are happy with that, I suggest you skip the rest of this post.

You see the more you look into The CCC and UG, the more you start to question this “harmless” group of “hobbyist”. If you have decided to continue reading, you might want to remember the 1st post again. I know, I told you to forget it and you needed to forget it for part 2, but part 1 and 2 are both needed for part 3. All 3 parts will show how the mythology of The CCC grew and spread.

And just for the record, I’m not saying anyone from The CCC is LISK or that any of them are guilty of criminal activity, well other that the obvious. Again, these are things others who have looked at UG and The CCC have said and passed around. I was not the first to look into this and I’m sure I wont be the last. What I came up with is in part 2. The solid stuff that really don’t show much, other than the Morrie guy is stuck in the middle somewhere. Still there is so much out there that (like everything else) don’t add up. Here we go.

Wait false start, first I have to mention Shady Al’s.

magic ccc lingere bar

Since I am not an LI Native (heh heh) please bear with me. When I first read that The CCC hung out in a bar called “Shady” I lost it. Any long time readers will totally get this. It’s an Eminem thing. And most may wonder why I even mention it. Trust me, it’s not just for a silly Eminem joke. Though, I can’t help it, I find it funny. But this blog always looks at things with multiple eyes (because it is read with multiple eyes), and some of you know who started posting Eminem lyrics before I came along (and it wasn’t Fluke like some might believe). I’ve mentioned it before and will again, there will be a last Eminem post before we are done, for those who still don’t get why this sometimes seems like an Eminem tribute blog.

Oh, I strayed quite a bit, or did I. Let’s wait and see.

Other than the fact this Morrie guy was involved in threatening comments about Amber right before she went missing, there is no connection between those in The CCC and the Gilgo Beach Murders. And yet there are those out there who claim if we knew who some of The CCC members were, there might be more of a connection than Morrie’s baseball bat threats. In part 1 I already talked about MM7 and DPH saying Hackett was Magic from The CCC. I also showed in part 1, that that was highly unlikely, since Magic was said to have died in 2010. MM7 and DPH had also said Brewer was part of The CCC:

mm7 brewer is lw

The thought of Brewer being part of The CCC is definitely intriguing. But going by the things “lightweight” has said about himself, I’m not too sure he is Brewer:

wolf lightweight on families

Married with 3 kids in 2008. Yea, that’s not Brewer. There was also talk of Flukeyou being in the CCC with Brewer. That may come from comments like these:

lightweight to wolf rusian girl

But just because one of the CCC members has a thing for Russian girls does not make it Fluke. In fact the same reasons lightweight isn’t Brewer is the same reason it can’t be Fluke. And as I said in part 1, I looked into Wolf5958 (simple google search you all can do) and he ain’t Flukeyou either.

So there seems to be no real proof Brewer or Fluke were part of The CCC… but there is more talk about such proof, well at least when it comes to Brewer:

ws jb ccc

There are other posts like this on Websleuths where it is claimed that Brewer told people he was part of The CCC. But again, no actual proof that I can see. Still the thought that Brewer may be part of The CCC is intriguing. I said that. But is it true?

See how this could quickly became another tale (tail) being chased around in circles. Let me add to it.

magic dead 1 15 2010

Yes, back to Magic. There is something about this (other than the screen name “deadguy”) that bothers me. “I got the news from SCPD”. What is that all about? Why would SCPD inform someone on UG about the death of another person on UG? Is “deadguy” friends with the cop who told him about Magic? Is the cop a member on UG? I don’t mean to confuse it any further… but it just bothers me.

Maybe this post isn’t a good idea. Maybe I should stop why I’m ahead. But you all read the comment on part 1 from Emily:

emily on ccc

This has to be addressed. First off I don’t buy it. I believe the person who left this comment wants me to believe they are this person:

real emily

And as I said, I don’t buy it, for one second. My LISK blog received bogus comments like this back when I first brought up The CCC, but we will get to all that. There’s a lot we can dissect in the comment on UG by the real Emily. But what I really take away from it, was that she is saying MM7 contacted her about all this, claiming she was an “investigative reporter”. And Emily didn’t like it. Damn, she probably won’t like being part of another WordPress blog, I’m sorry Emily, but don’t blame me, blame the “Emily” who left the comment on Part 1. Assuming it wasn’t you, and as I said, I don’t believe it was. I will get to who I think it is. Patience.

So this “Emily” (the one who commented on part 1) really wants to express that “she” knows most of the guys at UG and they are “NICE” men. We may have a difference of opinion of what is “NICE”. I have read plenty at UG and “NICE” isn’t the word I would use. But let’s just look at what was being said there about the LISK case:

UG on lisk.JPG

” it’s getting interesting”, “I hope everyone has their nose clean”. If they were such “NICE” men, they wouldn’t need to worry about “clean” noses, no?

ug magic not dead

When someone brings up coming forward with information lightweight brings up Seeker. The lol tells us it’s a joke, but since I have done some reading there, it’s not very funny. They also brought up Magic. Another joke, I suppose. I definitely don’t think this means Magic isn’t really dead, but I bet those who wanted to believe Magic was Hackett read this that way. The truth is, some of those at UG loved to poke at Magic. There was some real hatred towards Magic from some of them. Mainly from Lightweight and Teps. They would play these story games on UG where each person would continue the story being told with each new comment, and lightweight just couldn’t help bringing Magic into each one:

lightweight magic dis1

lightweight magic dis2

lightweight magic dis3

lightweight magic dis4

lightweight magic dis5

lightweight magic dis6

That may be hard for some of you to understand what you are reading there. First off you have to read from bottom to top. Anyone who has read at UG knows how confusing that can get. Second, it’s not whole stories, just parts of different ones where lightweight felt the need to bring Magic into it. As you can see by the small portions, you probably don’t want to read their little story games anyways.

How many of you find UG’s story games similar to the types of games played at the “Drunken Stepfather” site. Yea, me too. But I’m not trying to say UG is connected to DS or Lake City Quiet Pills. Don’t go blaming me for mixing the 2 mythologies. I’m just saying, like minds, maybe?

Alright, what I will say about all this is the dislike of Magic does circle around Morrie. Yes, it all comes back to Morrie:

ws ig on ccc1

There that sums quite a bit up, don’t it? I was still not reading at Websleuths when I first looked into The CCC and UG, I could have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had been.

So did Morrie harass Magic? Was Magic some kind of narc? The myhology only growing.

If you want, you can go and read for yourself what UG was talking about when bodies started being discovered off Oak Beach:

As I said before, it’s strange that they don’t mind anyone being able to read all the stuff they post on UG. And it’s eerie reading there. So if you didn’t click and read, I understand. To just point one thing out I will post a couple more comments from that thread:

ug on lisk2

ug on lisk1

“NICE” guys or not, I don’t see The CCC helping, even if they did know one of their members could be involved. Like with all the other corruption in Long Island, no one wants their own “Dirt” looked into.

I really should stop now. But that comment:

emily on ccc

Is this the same Emily who was on UG? They sure do want me to think so. Maybe it is. But if it’s not, there can really only be one person behind it:

cynthia on ccc

Don’t they sound a little alike? I know who wrote that. That’s NERD. He admitted writing it, just as he admitted to being PS149 and Seaslug44. I find the 2 comments so similar that even if the new one is from Emily, I would have to wonder if NERD knew her in some way. Which would be a whole other kind of thing. And this is already very murky.

So, for me, I’m gonna assume that NERD wrote that (I know all about assuming, we’ve talked about this before, and I’m more than happy to make an ass of myself to show the ass in others, you know this).  To understand this you only need to know how NERD likes to involve himself in UG stuff. Back when screen names from UG were popping up on MM7’s and my blog NERD was part of the games:

teps ccc lisk blog

lightweight and teps

I don’t know if those are the Teps and Lightweight from UG. Because when it comes to NERD, you just can’t know. He uses many different IPs. (though still was partial a few for a while) and NERD loves to have ongoing conversations with himself with different screen names. Even if those are the real CCC guys, I am pretty sure these ones are NERD:



Even if these are other Websleuthers or UG members, or friends of NERD, it don’t matter, I know for a fact these are NERD’s:

nerd as genius at mm7

nerd as amd on UG

nerd pom

And yes, as I said, this one is NERD as well:

cynthia on ccc

Where to even start… well, NERD chose Genius as one of the UG members to pose as. Unless NERD is Genius. I doubt it. But Genius is on UG, one of the nastier members in my opinion. I wonder why NERD picked that screen name to bring to life in the comments of my blog.

Damn. this is getting long, but I know some of you will appreciate all this. Some of you are already lost, I’m sure. I do apologise for that. I also bet at least one person does not appreciate any of this. I do not apologise for that, you had your chance to clear things up.

So Nerd, aka PS149, aka Seaslug44 had a lot to do with The CCC and UG being brought up. He definitely was part of all the hoopla that got me to go read at UG. But back then I could only guess NERD was PS149, and I had no idea he was Seaslug44, so I would have no idea why NERD knew so much about UG and The CCC. I still don’t, well other than mythology and NERD’s not so believing attempt to explain it all to me. But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. You know how I do that.

Those from Websleuths probably already know where I am going, because it was discussed there when Seaslug44 became one of the many Websleuth members who cross over to POI for other Websleuth members. Because this was found:

sealug44 ug profile

Yep, Seaslug44 was a member at UG, since 2005 I should add. Now this has been explained in many diferent ways by Seaslug44, most he admits were lies. Let’s start with the ones he told other Websleuthers about how he made that account to help find someone, or something like that. Here I’ll let him explain it:

nerd on ss44 on ug to ws

So NERD, or should I say SS44 was called out for having an account on UG, and instead of saying it isn’t him (which he claims it really wasn’t), he makes up some elaborate story to explain why he might have made an account up. All this to cover up a more elaborate story about a crazy ex-wife. But this is where I stared to wonder how honest NERD was being with me. We had talked about a lot of things, and I could understand and believe most of what he was saying. This wasn’t adding up to me.

As I said, the Seaslug44 account was made in 2005, which when I brought up, he acted surprised:

nerd on wife ug

He didn’t realize when the “fake” account was made? He wanted me to believe that he got accused of being a serial killer because someone had made a fake account on a “hobbyiest” site that he did all sorts of searching into, but he never noted when the “fake” account was made? Yea, that don’t seem right. Plus he wants me to believe that his wife was mad at him back in 2005 and made this “Fake” account to screw with him. But he didn’t  even know about it until the thing was brought up on Websleuths. Which by the way he decided to make up a lie about because his wife (who he was still with at that point) could be on Websleuths messing with him. If it’s true, I’m sorry, but I just can’t buy all that. Why would his wife use UG to get at him? Why would she know about such a site. And if she or anyone else made the account in 2005 to mess with him, why did he not even know about it till after it was brought up on Websleuths many years later? NERD’s explanations started getting harder to accept. And then of course I wrote the post about NERD being PS149 and Seasslug44 and I didn’t hear from him anymore. I understood, so I didn’t pester him with more questions, even though his answers on the CCC  and UG stuff just didn’t make sense to me.

Then as I started thinking about making the CCC posts, UG went down. I’m still not sure why it was down, but it was down for quite a while. I had to get some other posts out, but The CCC posts were building in my head. And right before I started putting it all down, UG came back up. Which I thought was great because now there would be references for what I was writing about if anyone wanted to search it out themselves. Which is always best… don’t take my word for anything, go see it all for yourself and make your own decisions. But as I said before, when UG came back it changed just a little. Some comments about The CCC seemed to be gone and the Seaslug44 account, that had changed too:

seaslug44 UG pic

I don’t know who that is, but it ain’t NERD.

Strange, there hadn’t been any comments or interaction from that account on UG since this:

seaslug44 ug

Nothing else since 2005. And the picture and info had always been blank:

sealug44 ug profile

But now, years later, and not long after I speak with NERD, aka PS149, aka, Seaslug44 the UG goes down and returns with an updated SS44 account:

new seaslug ug pic

Weird, right? I’m not saying this means anything. I don’t know if someone asked Slinky Bender to change or remove stuff, or maybe it’s just all unrelated coincidences. All I do know is I decided to see what NERD thought about it:

nerd block1

nerd block 2

And with that I was blocked. Fine. Just remember you came to the blog with your games NERD, all I did was figure them out. Go ahead and think I’m the bad guy. You are in good company. You don’t have to explain anything to anyone, but these questions are there.

Oh, and if you are behind the new “Emily” comment, NERD, WTF? Do you really think a third go at all this is a good idea? Just come clean and apologize for once again coming to my blog and thinking I’m still playing, when I said long ago, I’m done playing.

Wow, I really did go too far here. We really should have just stuck with part 2. A little late now though.

When it comes to The CCC there might not be much more than mythology. But that mythology is very thick.

whereitat ccc like brothers


The Truth About The CCC Part 2

Before we get into this post (it’s bound to be quite lengthy) go ahead and forget part 1. The first part kind of lingers in the myth and hearsay. I wanted you (the reader) to feel as I did when all of this info about The CCC came pouring into my LISK blog. It was during my first year blogging about all this, 2013, and I really didn’t know what to make of all it. Was any one from Oak Beach part of The CCC? Were all the screen names popping up in the blog comments really from UG? Did The CCC actually post comments? Was there a serial killer or killers among their group? Was this something totally conjured up in Dorothy’s head and then pushed into reality with the help of those around her (you know who you are)? I wanted to think that and run far away from The CCC and UG. As I have said in the past, it creeps me out to read at that place, I know some of you feel exactly the same way. I don’t like spying in on the conversations there. I could never understand why the site was open to be read by the public the way it was. Why would they want all that seen by literally anyone? Reading there gave me the heebie-jeebies. But as I said, DPH and MM7 were not the only ones talking about The CCC… and to find out why I would have to do more reading at UG.

And I did. Way too much. But I got the story behind The CCC. As I’m sure many before me already had done, since as I mentioned, lots of things about The CCC are scattered out there. Other people read all about The CCC on UG. So why is their story still so confusing? Why do so many people seem to know things about The CCC but don’t know what they know? I guess it was because so many out there were being mislead about the things they found or they were the ones trying to mislead people. So let’s get through all the hoopla and find something worth hanging our hat on, shall we? To do that we need to forget that other post. Forget MM7 and DPH trying to convince people Magic was Hackett. Forget all the screen names that jumped from UG to mine and MM7’s blogs. Forget all of it, and let’s start fresh.

So what does CCC stand for anyway? I think most of us would agree that it stands for Carney Construction Company or Carney Construction Crew. That’s what most of us have heard, right? And I think we also all can agree, crew or company is not a big difference. But what about Carney Construction? Where did that come from? Let’s go back to the beginning to see.

Warning! The discussions on UG are gratuitous and offensive at best. You’ve been warned:

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I know… ewww! But Magic’s gang bang request led to discussions of a UG get together:

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Which led to The CCC:

lightweight magic ccc first meeting

So back in 2008 Carney Construction was born so these online “hobbiest” could meet up in person. And there is actually a lot written about this first meeting both in planning it:


johnmator on first ccc meeting

lightweight ccc for wolfmagic biohazard ccc hat

biohazard wolf ccc hat

And afterwards:

lightweight on first ccc meeting

biohazard on firts ccc meeting

biohazard on first ccc meetingFrom reading these early conversations we learn that lightweight came up with the name Carney Construction in Wolf5958’s “honor”. Interesting. We also learn The CCC had their first “meeting” on February 2, 2008 at Shady Al’s. (Shady!) What else can be learned from reading these early discussions about The CCC?

jamesfromny ccc name tags

Carney Construction Corp… The CCC. Though I will again point out, that last C was interchangeable:

lightweight barmaid ccc

lightweight ccc

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Yes. The CCC was a big hit. The “meet & greet” went so well that more followed:

lightweight on next ccc meeting

magic lightweight ccc blog

wolf lightweight on families

magic grand opening ccc

magic ccc lw and tammy shadys

wolf answersjames name tags

wolf say hi from ccc

wolf tell them ccc sent you

wolf biohazard ccc

wolf jamesfromny ccc

wolf and treborny ccc

teps ccc digging deeper

lightweight vd

teps ccc 2 14 08

teps carney construction

lightweight welocomes whereitat to ccc


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Yes, The CCC got around that February. And did Magic say there was a CCC blog in the works? That would be quite the read I bet. Where does all this connect to the LISK case though? I mean without hearsay and speculations. There is a place where they do come together… to find it we have to skip a few months ahead from The CCC’s immaculate-less conception to that falling out with Magic I wrote about in part 1. I know, you forgot all about that post, good. So let me refresh your memory on what we are looking for here:

teps magic ccc 2008

In August of 2008, just half a year from The CCC’s creation, there was trouble in paradise. Secret groups seldom work out. Whether it be social media groups or a group of pathetic men lurking strip clubs together. But combine the 2… yea, it’s bound to go bad. And with The CCC it was a falling out with Magicfingersny that would stop all the chummy conversation on UG about the new (although mock) construction company. Yes the crew had a break up. And you can follow it in the comments on UG:

magic reply to teps

teps back to magic

There is talk that Magic joins in on posts and comments when he has no personal experiences with the girls he comments about. People wonder if he does it to be part of the conversation, but others wonder if there is more to it. Some accuse Magic of stalking members of UG and even giving away identities. I’m not gonna go to much into all that, because I’m not sure what really happened, lots of back n forth on UG can lead you either way. Did Magic betray his new buddies or was it just a misunderstanding? Basic internet back n forth. Not important for what we are looking for. No, what we want is a name. And I think most of you know that name…


The whole blow up with Magic begins on a thread about a “provider” named Christina. She is often called “Morrie’s Girl”.  Morrie is discussed on UG… though I do believe most of it is not so easy to find anymore, since UG came back from what ever it was down for (Yes, I’m implying something here, simply, when UG went down it came back up with a lot of this stuff not so easy to find, some of it seems to be completely gone… well not completely):

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lightweight and teps on morrie 2013

So who is Morrie? Well, when someone asked that very question on UG, this was the answer:

lightweight on morrie

So Morrie was the owner or another board like UG. A site that was taken down. We all know this story… and that means we all know how The CCC connect to the LISK case, right? I will say it again…


For those who don’t know or just haven’t put it together (I really do wonder how many people did not know all this, I figure everyone must, it’s all out there… but still so many people tell me they don’t know anything about The CCC and think the whole thing was made up. An easy trick I guess, because The CCC was made up, but those who were part of its hoax, they are real, as real as their connection to Morrie and therefore a connection to the LISK case. Sorry, another long parentheses, I hate them as much as you do… but I can’t seem to help myself… alright read this if you already haven’t:)

Most of you do know about this, right? The screen names Humiliatrix69, italyrider, and Morrie seem to all involved in a conversation about Amber right before she goes missing. Because of all the confusion and misinformation, some people think UG (Utopia Guide) is where threats against Amber were made. is actually where this happened, and the site was taken down. A site that may have been owned by a ex-con named Morrie who discussed a plot to get even with a girl who then turns up dead. This site was taken down and that helped UG grow from what I can see. Do Morrie or Humiliatrix69, or italyrider have anything to do with the death of Amber? I of course have no way of knowing such things, but it’s a connection that can’t just be ignored. And Morrie’s comments should also not be ignored. “Tell her we are all coming over there with baseball bats,”  or how nobody would “hear from those 2 girls anymore.”  These comments are enough to make Morrie a POI, right? And I know many have asked about “Morrie”, who is he? Why did police clear him so easily? That question can be applied to every POI in the LISK case if you ask me. The answer may have something to do with all the corruption in Suffolk County. But don’t let me get sidetracked…


Who is he? Maybe that can be discovered by the company he held:

teps on shadys and morrie

And he seems to be part of The CCC Crew. Which means he is probably one of the screen names on UG… I have my guesses. But I want to keep this post on a straight path, so let’s hear what is said about all this on UG:

teps on italirider and morrie

teps morrie trouble with feds

So again, from what I can tell, beyond the stories and myths of The CCC… the connection between this group of “hobbiest” and the LISK case is…


Too some that may seem like a red flag showing proof of some sort of real connection, to others, another coincidence, right? I can’t tell ya which I believe is true. Separating the coincidence from the things that really matter in the LISK case, has not been one of my strong points.

You can see it in their own words though (after all, that is what we do here, no?), exactly where The CCC came about and why some might connect them to the LISK case. That should do it, right?

Except some of you reading these comments can also maybe see where a lot of the myth comes from as well. We should probably just leave it here and not dwell into all that… but I think you all know that ain’t happening.

To be continued…

The Truth About The CCC Part 1

Over the years a lot has been said about a group of men in Long Island called The CCC. With all the stories floating around, it has become somewhat of a myth. I think it’s time that myth was cleared up.

Finding the whole story behind The CCC can be a little difficult. There are lots of rumors and hearsay out there and it’s all scattered. The best place to get the truth is to read it directly at the site The CCC originated: Utopia Guide. I think most people know by now about Utopia Guide, it is a site where Johns, meaning sex trade clients, discuss what they call their  “hobby”. That “hobby” being paying for sex.

I will get more into Utopia Guide as this post grows… but for now I should point out, that Utopia Guide was down for a little while recently. I noticed that when the site came back up, some of The CCC stuff was gone. That will make this a little harder to get at the root of The CCC… but as we all know, once it’s on the internet, it can be found.

Since DPH is where I first got some kind of story about The CCC, that’s where we will start:

dph ccc lie

WTF?!? Dorothy wrote that back in January, and it is complete Dorothy Dog Shit! The thing is, she knows this is a lie. Don’t you Dorothy? I mean you know you made this up, don’t you? Again I have to ask, those around Dorothy in everyday life… is she crazy and you don’t care? Do you just not see it? Does she cover up the crazy? Or is she doing this on purpose? Which ever it is, and I’m starting to wonder if we will ever really know for sure, her comment above about The CCC mixed in with Fluke “neighbor agenda” and “Burke propaganda” is exactly why I decided to finally put this post together. It’s crap, and it makes an already complicated thing, more complicated. So please, try again Dorothy:

jerry dph ccc

Well, that’s closer to the story you and MM7 first told me… let’s just cut to the chase:

That may be a little confusing, some of it is comments left on UG about a guy with the screen name magicfingersny. I believe MM7 wanted to show proof that The CCC existed, because there were a few out there trying to convince her it was a joke, a made up thing. On her blog people using screen names from UG straight up told her The CCC was a hoax:

wolf5958 mm7 blog

I should point out DPH was convinced Wolf5958 was her ex husband. I did a quick google search and decided it was not her ex husband. In fact I’m guessing anyone looking into The CCC looked all into this screen name… they have enough of a trail online to do so. This was one of the many times I questioned how much of the false information being put out there was on purpose. I mean Dorothy and MM7 had to have found everything I did, I found everything they did. So they had to have known this wolf was not Dorothy’s ex husband. And therefore connecting Dorothy’s ex husband to UG and The CCC by a screen name that they knew wasn’t him? I’m just saying. What am I saying? Oh yea, I don’t think wolf5958 from UG was Dorothy’s ex husband, that’s what I’m saying.

Still… all the screen names from UG popping up on MM7’s blog didn’t help with the confusion. Which obviously was the point, which is why I believe they showed up on my blog as well:

teps ccc lisk blog

teps lisk blog

Man, I was all so new to these games back then. And I had no idea if these were people from UG or just trolls. Back then I just figured it was people wanting me to look at UG and The CCC. I mean why bring attention to themselves if it was really them? But now I wonder… could some of them been the real UG screen names they claimed?

lightweight and teps

Either way it got me reading UG (thanks, a lot), and there I could see where DPH and MM7 got their story from:

teps magic ccc 2008

So this is what MM7 had posted on her blog, and it does seem to show that there was a CCC and this guy Magic was kicked out of it. The reason why seems to stem from Magic posting on UG about girls without really using their services. In hindsight, the story of Magic’s fall from The CCC is worth looking into… but back then, I didn’t know it. What I did know, was the story DPH and MM7 got out of all this was crazy.

If you don’t know the story, this is basically it:

4 men, who were part of group called The CCC were responsible for the AC4 murders. Not together, but 4 guys each took turns killing 1 of the 4 girls. Then years later they get in a fight with a member of this little group, Magic, and kick him out of the group. But Magic knows about the murders they each committed and is determined to get even with them. So Magic then goes and kills 4 girls, the GB4, wanting to make it look like his old buddies were responsible.

I swear, that’s the story DPH and MM7  were telling. That was what they came up with after looking into The CCC and UG. I blame television.

So, as I already wrote, DPH thought her ex husband was in The CCC. Dorothy also thought Fluke might have been in The CCC. Dorothy and MM7 also believed Brewer was part of the group:

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I already said that I don’t believe Dorothy’s ex husband was part of the CCC, but Fluke? Maybe… and Brewer? Interesting thought, huh? We will have to come back to that. Another person they connected to The CCC was Hackett. In fact they believed that guy Magic was Hackett. This of course fitted everything Fluke was selling both DPH and MM7 about Hackett. Out of all of them, this one is definitely not true. Magic couldn’t be Hackett, because Magic is dead:

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And quite a few people comment about it:

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When I saw all this (again, back then I was new to many parts of this) I couldn’t understand why DPH or MM7 would try to say Magic was Hackett. They were getting their information from UG, and they had to have known Magic was dead and therefore not Hackett. In fact I couldn’t figure out why they would think this was connected to LISK at all. I wrote the whole thing off at first. Which was easy, because I really didn’t like reading at UG. But they weren’t the only ones mentioning The CCC, so as with everything else I kept chasing it.

At the end of the day (I really hate that phrase and use it mockingly) The CCC and UG seemed to have plenty to look into without pretending Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were people they obviously weren’t. I also discovered you didn’t have to come up with some made for TV story about a serial killer copycatting his 3 serial killer friends to connect The CCC to the LISK case.

To be continued…

The Games People Play Part 2


Everyone wants to play. I get it, I get it. I stepped in, rattled the crazy hornets nest again. LMFAO! Well, we still have some time left. Let’s play!


So last week I got that email. This week I get this one:


WTF? I have no idea why these people wrote me these. I wrote each back asking who they were, and surprise, surprise, no response.  I mean that one actually asked for my phone number. Sounds like Susie! I know right now Susie is trying real hard to find dirt on me. We will talk about that in a moment. Is the information in the e-mails real? Probably not if it’s Susie. I got a third email also about John Ray. I’m not gonna discuss that here yet. Someone who wanted to let me know I have John Ray wrong (Do I? How exactly do I have him?). They also had lots of questions. I’m not sure what to do about this one yet. They have returned my reply so they aren’t “hit and runs” like those other 2 e-mailers. Still 3 emails about John Ray… what’s that all about? So fuck the trolls who wrote those first 2 e-mails, that’s what trolls get, blasted on the blog (why do they still not get that?). The other person with all the questions, if you are reading right now,  it’s not that I don’t want to answer those questions. I don’t know who you are or why you want with it all. And at the moment there are lots of nuts conspiring against me. I will think about it and get back to you. I do appreciate that you would want my opinion on some of those things. Very good questions… lots though, lol.

Speaking of questions (yes this blog is gonna be all over the place, so deal with it), Richard Lyon (Susie Sampierre) wrote me with questions a while back:


Oh Susie! I know you are now using this account and others to try to find out all you can about me. I told you to stop that. I’m done with you. I showed the world who you really are. I know that pissed you off. But I explained how it was your own fault. Reap and Sow right? Now stop asking about me.

Everyone is so concerned with me again. LOL. The ones that say “I dont’ matter anyway”. Is that from The Breakfast Club? And you all are ending up in one place aren’t ya? I see another troll made it into Kim’s page. Let’s talk about Larry!

I hear Larry is trying to make it sound like we are working together or that i gave him some information. Why don’t you all learn? Larry, like all the rest of you came to me with questions a little while back:


It probably is Susie. Whoever it is, you ain’t fooling no one. Nice last name! The rest of the conversation was short and sweat:


No reply after that. Go figure. But I hear Larry is saying plenty over on Kim’s group of rejects. It’s become a “closed group” so I can’t actually see what is being said at the moment. But people talk. Eventually, someone talks to me. I guess Larry (almost sounds like Jerry when you say it) has been saying I said H.A. made up the fake Facebook accounts for AC4 and GB4. As you can see, I did not tell Larry Wolff this. And yes I have discussed this subject many times in all my blogs. But I only said Police asked him if he did it. There are articles out there on this:

By the way it is also said that police know who made the fake accounts and say they are not the killer. So don’t try to pull a Jerry on me Larry. See, they sound alike, they act alike. LOL. Jerry tried to make it look like I was saying L.H. is LISK. (‘Member? Yea, we ‘member). Even though we know Jerry was the one pushing that narrative:


Sounds like everyone is trying to take me down with alternative facts. Nice try bitches!

Also I was the only one to notice H.A. was Facebook “Friends” with a few people in Kim’s group. I knew giving it to the wolf troll would tell me something. And it did… it went right to that group of dum dums. That says a lot!

I need to point out, while some of those new trolls brought in by Jerry and Jenny being Facebook “Friends” with H.A. may be a little telling, it should not seem unusual for people in a LISK group being Facebook “Friends” with him. That’s how these things work. I don’t need to elaborate right? Non nuts get it. I doubt H.A. has anything to do with that crazy bunch that snuck in to Kim’s group. That happened because Jerry liked Jenny so much:

Yea, Jenny brought them all in, but Jerry, bottom line, it happened because of you. That’s just truth. I better lay off Jerry, we are friends now, right?

I also don’t want to get too much into Jenny or her friends. But thank God Kim left the group open long enough for us to see all that. It was insanity. Poor Kim had to get rid of a lot of people. But to get rid of all the nuts that place would have to shut down. It’s run by a nut.

Oh yea, Kim don’t like me saying that:


LMFAO! Thanks for the link Kim! Now who would reply to a comment like this?


I could have bet Dorothy would be there. Oh look, Maureen! Maureen I set a place at the table for you a long time ago, so glad you finally sat down.

Who is this Margene person?


Don’t do it Margene… who ever you are, don’t get dragged into “Dorothy’s War”.


Oh, hell no! You crazy bitch! Dorothy used to write shit like that about my mom. That’s just not gonna be allowed. And Kim, before you get mad at me for calling Margene crazy, it’s been diagnosed:


Yep, a fucking skitzo! Look, I get some of you have mental issues. Then stay off the internet. At least stay out of open serial killer cases. No actually the least you can do is leave me out of your delusions. I swear to God Margene, say something about my mom again and I will turn this blog into a shrine for you. Know that.

I’m getting carried away. Sorry about that. You know I love you guys, but come on, my mom was a saint, if some of you had a mom like her, maybe there wouldn’t be so many voices in your heads.

I bet you nuts are just gonna say I’m attacking women again. You all play the victim almost as well as you play the nut. But don’t forget, Joey! This all started with the first Rooster to gather a bunch of nutty hens. Joey… Jerry… yea they sound a like too. Who think’s Jerry is the new Rooster gathering nutty hens?  LOL, put down those hands, I know who can see it and who can’t. Don’t take that as a dig Jerry, we are friends now, right? I’m just trying to help ya out:


Take a look at what it will do for ya!

Alright, Flukes a little fish now. Caught in the net long ago. We need a big fish. Like a shark!

For the most part, most of Jenny’s “Friends” who came to Kim’s group because of Jerry were way out there. I was surprised it was allowed to go on for so long. No I wasn’t it’s an asylum, and that’s how asylums are. The only reason they all got booted was because someone Kim feels needs to be there (we all know who that is) left. They were forced to boot them. There are lines that should be read between, I really hope most of you can do that. Me though. Booted me in minutes. I’m worse than anyone in these nuts eyes. Because I call out the lies, the slander, the crazy people. I’m the guy who is most evil! I’m the one they all love to hate.  Well fuck it. Let’s make some more enemies.

There was one screen name that came through with the Jenny crowd. Ken Jones. The Shark:


Nice nick name! The Shark! Scary. I think I jumped a shark once or twice.

So The Shark came in with the others, but decided to make it personal. Together with Jerry and Dorothy they trashed all over Leanne:




Good Samaritan? Yea, Ken seems like a real nice guy. I thought Jenny’s pals came to the group to screw with Kim and the nut gallery. This one decided to play along with queen nut herself. That right there is enough for me to want to know more about The Shark. Remember everyone, Dorothy and I are at war. Anyone working with her has to be taken out. It’s a war after all.

Welcome to the blog Ken!

Dorothy made an odd comment in the middle of the trashing:

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A new spin on the CCC. And out of nowhere! Nice one Dorothy! Give me a little time, I think I can clear up everything on the CCC. And not that crap you wrote there. LMFAO!

Yes, games are being played everywhere by everyone.

But you all need to leave me out of them. Keep asking me to play and you know I will!



I’ve become so numb. But you know me, I always end up pulling it together. So let’s pull it together, together.

Can I get an encore, do you want more? I hope so, ’cause I’m ready to go one more round.

On December 27th 2013 I posted an Eminem video (The Monster) and Zero’s World was born. Eminem not only became the first thing posted each new year of the blog, but Eminem became the theme music to which I wrote most of the posts and hopefully the soundtrack to which you read the blog. Some people still don’t get why Eminem. I’ve explained this before and probably will again, like all things dealing with this place, it’s complicated. The important part is we have made it to year 4 and Eminem is here for us. I chose a hybrid track to put this last year into motion and it fits, since this blog is a bit of a hybrid blog. Mixing it all up.

I know along the way many of you thought I was shady. And with some of you the feeling was mutual. But as a close friend of mine would say, “You got me fucked up!”. I’m not really all that shady, in fact I’m as sunny as that California state I go on and on about. Ok maybe not that sunny, but definitely as bright no matter how dark you may find me. (Is anyone enjoying this wordplay?) Hopefully this final year of posts will show this in a better light. And some of you might start, seeing me less as the shady one and more of the Doc type. I’m not talking about Hackett either. I mean Doc like as in the one in charge or the guy who will put you on the couch (‘Member? Yea, I ‘member).

So, with all that being said (wordplay and all), Get your ass up for the doctor
One more time, get your ass up for the doctor, Come on now, here we go, cliff hanger, it’s another club banger. Got you hangin’ on the edge of your seat.

Yep, here we go again. I’m gonna do what I do best. Get under the skin of the trolls and the righteous. Make you all think twice before you decide to fuck with another human being. I know, that’s a lot to ask for, but I’m gonna do my best to get us all there. I know there will continue to be naysayers and haters, but you had your chance. Times up, games over, you lose, I win ’bout to show these knuckleheads how to do this here. Yep, just call me turnip, because I’m ’bout to turn it up!  Sorry, that was bad.  You get me though, we are ready to actually go somewhere.

Ooh yeah, new year, next phase, begin, Look who’s got you goin’ crazy again. I do bring out the crazy in people, don’t I? Just look what I have done to our little loud mouth Fluke. He’s almost pathetic to look at now. Minus the almost. LOL, did I do that? Did I help make you irrelevant? Give it up Junior, I’m a trend, I set one every time I’m in, I go out and just come back full circle again. You a fad, that means your something that we already had. But once you’re gone, you don’t come back, too bad. Ha, ha!
That goes for all the loud mouth nuts. Dorothy, MM7, Jen, and all the others I haven’t really gotten to… yet. You’re off the map now, radar can’t even find you. We stay on the grind, you slip, we out-grind you. You walk around mad, you let your anger blind you. We walk around just playin’ the violin behind you. 
I love that line because it’s funny but also very true. While so many of you were bitching about me and my blogs and the good apples who found something here, we have been playing that mocking violin, exposing your blind anger and madness. It’s been quite a journey so far. This can’t go on forever though. Like I said, you had your chance, now enough with all the pissin’ and moanin’, whinin’ and bitchin’. Sit and observe, listen, you’ll learn if you pay attention.

Now can I get an encore, do you want more? I hope so, because I can’t do it without you. So for one last time I need y’all to roar!  I know I can count on a few of you to give this place a proper send off and finally get to the point. I bet some of you are saying, well get going, Now what the hell are you waitin for?  I hear ya, but we got to do this right. Because after me, there shall be no more.  Ok, that might be taking the whole narcissistic, arrogance a step to far, but I bet there won’t be anyone quite like me. So for one last time, nigga make some noise (that one’s for you Dorothy). But really, everyone, it’s time to speak up or shut up. So all my people on the left, all my people on the right, scream one last time. 

Funny, that right when I decided this blog had outlived its purpose it started getting attention again. Nerd and PS149 have returned (and yes, that is the “real” PS149), links to the blog are popping up in different places, some certain Websleuthers are dropping my name (by the way, comments like “Go ask your friend zero” do not go unnoticed, I have eyes everywhere! LMAO). It’s getting crazy out there again, the buzz is tremendous, we drop you all to sense it. I don’t gotta promote it for you to know that doc is off the benches. And I seem to have put together a pretty good team of my own. Well better than Dorothy’s crazy team anyways.  Just call us doody, ’cause we da shit. Or as Linda once so awesomely put it, “we are dope, you’re just dopes”.  You see, we keep the party rockin’ off the henges.
We ain’t showin’ off, we just goin’ off popular consensus.

Still my critics say that Doc is soft, Doc is talk, Doc is all washed up. To which I reply: Knock it off Who the fuck is Doc impressin’?
Doc is this, Doc is that, you got the wrong impression. You must be on the cock of Doc, cause Doc left you all guessin’.  No more guessing. It’s time for everyone to stop guessing. It’s time for everyone to just say what ya know. But know what ya say, because I’m here… no we are here (remember when I used to criticize everyone for saying “we” all the time, when they just meant “me”, then I started using “we” in jest, then I realized there really was a bad “we” out there, and now there is actually a good “we”.

So DJ take the needle and just drop it on the record (what)

We gon’ have this motherfucker hoppin’ in a second (bump bump)

That’s why we always save the best cut last, to make you scratch and itch for it like fresh cut grass.

You can try to deny it but I know you all are jonesing for me, for us, for this. So here it is, back one last time to satisfy your addiction. It’s time the war was won once and for all. By the way Dorothy (and I know you are hanging on every word) you can declare “war” on Zero’s World, it won’t change the facts that we already won most of the battles.  Cause we done swam with the sharks, wrestle with alligators. We took on Flukyou’s slander, Cristin’s lies, Dorothy’s delusions, Nancy’s insanity, McKee’s misdirection, Jen’s cryptic course, Son of Man’s crazy conspiracies, a hand full of self-important Websleuthers, a ton of sock puppets, as well as racist and bigots from all over Facebook and Twitter. And we won each time. No one wanted any of this, lol. In fact I bet a bunch of you are still worried about what you say out there. Posting then deleting, afraid it’s gonna show up in a post. And it probably will.
Some of you out there don’t want to admit it, but I think you are kind of a scared of this place. You see what can be done here. We go toe to toe, tit for tat, and we can play the back and forth all day. We can outwit, outplay, outlast!(speaking of which, did anyone else watch last season of Survivor? It was a good one) Point is, we took it all on and we are still standing. Most would probably agree, much, much wiser.
When I finally write that last post a year from now, I hope I have made some more new friends, I know I will have a few new enemies. Hopefully most will see through it all and realize some things are not so simple, some things aren’t always what they seem. But I know for some of you that’s just not possible. No matter what I say or do, no matter what is shown to you, you are gonna always see me as the “bad guy”. Every step that I take is another mistake to you (Caught in the undertow just caught in the undertow) And every second I waste is more than I can take…

Everybody sing along with me:
I’ve become so numb I can’t feel you there
I’ve become so tired so much more aware
I’m becoming this all I want to do
Is be more like me and be less like you

Man, how that rings true to me. I’ve been accused of many things since I first came across (and started blogging about) and Catching LISK, but the ones  that say I’m no better than Fluke or Dorothy or that my blog is as bad as MM7’s blog, those hit too close to the mark. To think I might have become as bad as those I spoke out against, well, that’s something I can’t let happen. Yes, it may just be an elaborate way to show how we all get sucked in. How the bullied become the bully, the sane become crazy. How the internet can twist us all. Yes it may have gotten a little out of control at times… But I can’t become this.

So let’s pull it all together… together.

Here we go… Hands up for the grand finale! And keep them raised, this is gonna be another roller coaster of a ride.

Now can I get an encore, do you want more?

So for one last time I need y’all to roar!

One last time I need y’all to roar…


Duh… Duh… Dorothy

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Finally a brave man stepped up. Thank you. I smell a fish!

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I never claimed to be in California, well except when I’m there. And why does she have to keep bringing up my kids? In fact why bring me up here at all? Is she trying to connect me to UG and the CCC? That’s not very nice. That place is real creepy. Dorothy and MM7 (mysterymom7) were the first to tell me all about that UG (utopia guide). They also told me all about their wild ideas about the CCC (that’s a little harder to decipher… since it’s only really been used as CCC from what I have seen… most think the last 2 Cs stand for Construction Crew, but even that is questionable… the first C is often thought to be Carney, though I’ve seen other C words used as well). I have gone to UG and read a little bit, found the whole story on the CCC and although I think it is quite interesting that a creep site like that has the same issues with feuds, back ‘n forths, and sock puppets, I’m not sure where Dorothy and MM7’s wild connections come from. In fact where did UG first get brought up? I’m guessing Websleuths… but is it a complete Dorothy and MM7 delusion? Or does it have actual roots somewhere?

I don’t know, but that place is creepy! And it’s full of creepy people… so I really don’t appreciate you insinuating I have anything to do with it Dorothy… NOT NICE!

By the way, these were posted on Shannan Gilbert’s memory Facebook page last month by Dorothy. Don’t know when they will realize she is hurting that page and their sister’s memory with Dorothy’s crazy, slanderous, rants. Maybe never. Though hopefully when the case is finally solved (and I still have hope that it will some day) maybe then Dorothy’s rants won’t get through.

Like I said before, unfortunately Dorothy would just move on to something else.

And I promise you, Zero’s World will be a part of those delusional rants as well.

I wouldn’t have it any other way.

She brings life to this place.




Oh yea, almost forgot…


Are You Guys Trying To Confuse Me?

So the last couple days SOM has been all over the ZW Facebook. He is all over the place, but very entertaining. He mentioned something that struck me odd yesterday… here it is:

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This struck me odd because I was pretty sure Dorothy had brought up Faddy Malone’s as well. You see back in December when Mr. Hill commented on this blog, Dorothy started sending me private messages again on the ZW Facebook. And you can imagine that they are also all over the place, and you’d be right. A quick re-look at her messages and I saw the name Ben Malloy, but in my haste I saw it as Ben Malone and thought that must be what I saw. I then wrongly commented on my Facebook that Dorothy had written me about Ben Malone, asking SOM if there was a connection to Ben and Faddy’s. I quickly got another private message correcting me:

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Oops, my bad. But even in my mistakes I learn stuff. Dorothy was reading the whole conversation with SOM on the ZW Facebook! As it happened! Very cool.  Plus as it turns out I wasn’t wrong, not really, Dorothy had brought up Faddy Malone recently in her private message rants on the ZW Facebook. I just had to look back a little way, which I did preparing this post… which changed the whole post.

So let’s look at the private messages Dorothy has been sending me since December. 3 things first, before we look at them:

First, I never answered her once in 2 months and yet they kept coming. Second, there is some messed up things said about people in some of it, Jen, both of Dorothy’s exes. Which is why I didn’t post these back when I first got them (the worst about those people are in the early messages). But most of it has been said before and is the type of stuff Dorothy sends to lots of people, I’m just the one willing to put it out there in public so everyone knows what she is saying. Still if anyone wants something she said about them pulled from my blog, please just ask, I’ve done it before and don’t mind doing it again. That brings me to the third thing,  I left out the most damaging stuff she said. She got real personal in some of the things she said about Mr. Hill (I’m guessing she was not happy he commented on this blog), I didn’t feel right posting it. So I cut out some names I didn’t feel needed to be said (though Dorothy has no problem sending these names out) and I left off one comment in particular I thought didn’t need to be put out there. So I do try.

Now let’s look at some Dorothy Propaganda also known as Dorothy Dogshit:



There’s that question… why?

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So these are from December, and any returning reader knows I posted about my teenage experiences at this time, talking about how my mom was there for me. So if anything Dorothy likes to let me know she is always reading… and reading everything… thank you Dorothy, I really do appreciate the readers who hang on every word in the blog, comments, and Facebook. It’s my favorite part of all this, lol, damn narcissist. Let’s go on:

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Ahh, Steven Yohay. So there’s another way to connect that name. That name keeps coming up. Oak Beach had some colorful residents, I will give it that. But I have no time to get into Steven Yohay. Though I will comment on Dorothy’s attempt to connect her ex Robert to Yohay. Dorothy also likes to say Robert and I run a bussiness together or that her ex Wolff, Brewer, and I party together. All not true, just Dorothy Dogshit. So I doubt there is a connection to Yohay… but I do think that Yohay guy is a strange one… but who isn’t in this onion. Let’s connect some more dots, shall we?

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Everyone wants me to be the hero. You are all in for a big let down. Or maybe not. SOM seems to think I’m important:

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There’s been some question if SOM was sent here by Nan Nan. But that really doesn’t matter, so for sake of argument, you (SOM) found my blog because of God. Then you met Nan Nan here, (damn, am I connecting some of these nuts), fine, what ever. Not important. What is important is you, Nancy, and Dorothy do the same thing. Come here and act as if you were brought to me, like I’m the one who needs to see things and then help you, help the world. And then you write things like this:




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Trying to push my buttons… playing games. In fact all three of you have said I was LISK. But you see SOM, when you post stuff from my blog and then say it means I’m some guy named Matt, or trash my music, or call me a transvestite clown… you are acting exactly like Nancy and Dorothy… so wear the shoe that fits is all I’m saying. (SHOES!)

And taking shots of the Valentine Video… kinda stalkerish… I took that off the blog for a reason, lol. But don’t worry it will be back this Valentine’s Day, keep an eye out for it, maybe it will clear up your questions (obsession) with that video. You are right, I don’t smoke. Not even close on my weight though… 160, thank you very much.

So, how you got here is not important, but to distance yourself from the likes of Dorothy and Nancy… well that’s just crazy talk… peas in a pod, baby. Just to prove my point, let’s continue to look at Dorothy’s messages, where were we… oh yea, Dorothy was telling me to be a hero, not a zero:

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Why is it, I have to focus on Brewer? Why again do some of you insist on my help, then turn and say I’m part of the conspiracy? Some people out there might say, that’s what you get when you deal with people with mental issues (bi polar, right SOM?), and that’s fine, if we are all to agree these people are just crazy and that’s that. But Dorothy has kids. And it does seem there are those out there that do not think they are crazy, and they let these crazy (again if that’s what we are all in agreement with) people get away with their delusions, sometimes affecting people out there, but I’m not getting into all that again. If they are crazy, then even more reason for me to shine a light on them and there doings. My opinion at least. I’m sure some of you agree with me.

Before we move on, lots of CCC stuff in that message. Not even ready to get into the CCC again, right now (spent the weekend discussing it with someone, and the whole thing is a puzzle, not sure if it fits any where, but it is a puzzle. I plan on doing a full post on the CCC at some point, I promise).


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Once again, telling me how I can help people. Just a note for returning readers, this came shortly after I discussed my step dad in the comments of this blog (again, December time) and about drugs, etc. If you read the comments (or were part of them) you know what I’m talking about. Once again, good to see Dorothy is reading EVERYTHING!


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Again, why is it up to me to find this stuff out?

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I have no brothers in Oregon and please do not tie me to the Bundy family or any of those screwed up ranchers. They really should have been on the 2015 “Fuck You” list… over and out.

I do not harass mothers and I do watch the news… over and out.

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See I knew it, Sunday, Dorothy brought up Faddy Malone. One day before SOM mentions it. LMFAO! I may have an idea now why both these nuts mentioned it… but there you go SOM… you are just like Dottie and Nan Nan. Wear that shoe. There will be lots more on this Damien Echos, but first… Dorothy has to drop some names:

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Name games… I get them, anybody else?

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That’s where she mentions Malloy and I got a little confused, but as I just showed she did say/write Faddy Malone as well. Funny, she brought up Dave Schaller, I do believe Dorothy and Dave talked at some point. To what extent I am not sure, but I’d love to know. Also, the utopia guide stuff is a little bit of a Dorothy misinformation type thing. Humiliateix69 and the threats are form a different site, not UG. But again, CCC, UG, and all that… another time, I promise. My main question for you here Dorothy, are you saying slinky bender from UG is a zero fan, or someone you think is slinky bender is a zero fan? And more importantly… what beans did they spill? Over and out.

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Yes, I got it and I covered it all ready… though I still don’t know who Ben Malloy is… NEXT:

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Alright so here is where she gets into Damien Echos who she calls Michael Wayne, (ugh, Michaels Everywhere!) I don’t know if this is the guys real name (Wayne seems to be his middle name from what I read) or if Dorothy is just playing the “someone is someone else” game. Like I said I don’t really know this story, but I guess the guy is out of jail and made a movie from what I quickly looked up. Which Dorothy will go off on in a moment. Yelling at Hollywood actors is a family tradition, huh Dorothy? Yes, lots of crazies out there do it, huh SOM? Huh SK? (oops, that’s way ahead of its time. But it’s coming) Now if only Dorothy would send me someone eles view on this Echos guy so we can get to the Hollywood bashing… Bingo to KRAYON:

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Gotta break in here because Dorothy wrote this to help with the confusion on Facebook with SOM. Again, thank you Dorothy, confusion solved and covered, still I’m glad to see you read it all.  Now let’s finish this off:

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WOW! Right? So I do actually remember this story a little bit.  There was questions by many people in this case, including families of the victims, yes, a perfect case for you Dorothy, right up you alley, and fits your M.O. if you all get what I mean. I didn’t know he (Echol) was part of the movie made about it. I guess I should see the movie West Of Memphis.

Still… why is Dorothy sending all this to me? And I’m no Eddie Vedder fan, but you can’t blame him for what happened or didn’t happen. For sure you can’t blame Johnny Depp, I love Johnny Depp. And haven’t you and Nan Nan messed with Margret Chow enough?

Why are you still writing me Dorothy? Crazy seems to be the only explanation left for some of you. Really, a doctor’s visit is probably what is best for the whole nut gallery. Sadly I’ve said this before. And yet, I’m still going at it huh? Maybe a doctor’s visit is needed by me too (heh, heh, heh… future couch post hint).

Did I lose everyone? Yes, very confusing weekend. Thank you Dorothy… thank you SOM. Peas in a pod.

We’ll leave it with what SOM said:

som fleas

Yes… I am the dog… you are the fleas.

My fault… dogs attract fleas.

Still… sometimes I have to scratch.