The Truth About The CCC Part 3

If you read part 2 of this CCC trilogy, you know you were supposed to forget all about part 1. So you probably forgot about DPH and MM7 looking into UG and CCC and coming out with tales of Hackett and Dorothy’s ex husband. Tales of how Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were part of The CCC as well as playing some copy cat murder game against each other over some jealousy thing. You also probably forgot about all the screen names claiming to be part of The CCC coming to my blog and giving me no choice but to look deeper into UG and The CCC. And that’s good that you don’t remember any of that. It’s not needed to see the truth about The CCC. You can read part 2 and go away with what is FACT and can be proven by their own posts and comments on Utopia Guide.

So if you are happy with that, I suggest you skip the rest of this post.

You see the more you look into The CCC and UG, the more you start to question this “harmless” group of “hobbyist”. If you have decided to continue reading, you might want to remember the 1st post again. I know, I told you to forget it and you needed to forget it for part 2, but part 1 and 2 are both needed for part 3. All 3 parts will show how the mythology of The CCC grew and spread.

And just for the record, I’m not saying anyone from The CCC is LISK or that any of them are guilty of criminal activity, well other that the obvious. Again, these are things others who have looked at UG and The CCC have said and passed around. I was not the first to look into this and I’m sure I wont be the last. What I came up with is in part 2. The solid stuff that really don’t show much, other than the Morrie guy is stuck in the middle somewhere. Still there is so much out there that (like everything else) don’t add up. Here we go.

Wait false start, first I have to mention Shady Al’s.

magic ccc lingere bar

Since I am not an LI Native (heh heh) please bear with me. When I first read that The CCC hung out in a bar called “Shady” I lost it. Any long time readers will totally get this. It’s an Eminem thing. And most may wonder why I even mention it. Trust me, it’s not just for a silly Eminem joke. Though, I can’t help it, I find it funny. But this blog always looks at things with multiple eyes (because it is read with multiple eyes), and some of you know who started posting Eminem lyrics before I came along (and it wasn’t Fluke like some might believe). I’ve mentioned it before and will again, there will be a last Eminem post before we are done, for those who still don’t get why this sometimes seems like an Eminem tribute blog.

Oh, I strayed quite a bit, or did I. Let’s wait and see.

Other than the fact this Morrie guy was involved in threatening comments about Amber right before she went missing, there is no connection between those in The CCC and the Gilgo Beach Murders. And yet there are those out there who claim if we knew who some of The CCC members were, there might be more of a connection than Morrie’s baseball bat threats. In part 1 I already talked about MM7 and DPH saying Hackett was Magic from The CCC. I also showed in part 1, that that was highly unlikely, since Magic was said to have died in 2010. MM7 and DPH had also said Brewer was part of The CCC:

mm7 brewer is lw

The thought of Brewer being part of The CCC is definitely intriguing. But going by the things “lightweight” has said about himself, I’m not too sure he is Brewer:

wolf lightweight on families

Married with 3 kids in 2008. Yea, that’s not Brewer. There was also talk of Flukeyou being in the CCC with Brewer. That may come from comments like these:

lightweight to wolf rusian girl

But just because one of the CCC members has a thing for Russian girls does not make it Fluke. In fact the same reasons lightweight isn’t Brewer is the same reason it can’t be Fluke. And as I said in part 1, I looked into Wolf5958 (simple google search you all can do) and he ain’t Flukeyou either.

So there seems to be no real proof Brewer or Fluke were part of The CCC… but there is more talk about such proof, well at least when it comes to Brewer:

ws jb ccc

There are other posts like this on Websleuths where it is claimed that Brewer told people he was part of The CCC. But again, no actual proof that I can see. Still the thought that Brewer may be part of The CCC is intriguing. I said that. But is it true?

See how this could quickly became another tale (tail) being chased around in circles. Let me add to it.

magic dead 1 15 2010

Yes, back to Magic. There is something about this (other than the screen name “deadguy”) that bothers me. “I got the news from SCPD”. What is that all about? Why would SCPD inform someone on UG about the death of another person on UG? Is “deadguy” friends with the cop who told him about Magic? Is the cop a member on UG? I don’t mean to confuse it any further… but it just bothers me.

Maybe this post isn’t a good idea. Maybe I should stop why I’m ahead. But you all read the comment on part 1 from Emily:

emily on ccc

This has to be addressed. First off I don’t buy it. I believe the person who left this comment wants me to believe they are this person:

real emily

And as I said, I don’t buy it, for one second. My LISK blog received bogus comments like this back when I first brought up The CCC, but we will get to all that. There’s a lot we can dissect in the comment on UG by the real Emily. But what I really take away from it, was that she is saying MM7 contacted her about all this, claiming she was an “investigative reporter”. And Emily didn’t like it. Damn, she probably won’t like being part of another WordPress blog, I’m sorry Emily, but don’t blame me, blame the “Emily” who left the comment on Part 1. Assuming it wasn’t you, and as I said, I don’t believe it was. I will get to who I think it is. Patience.

So this “Emily” (the one who commented on part 1) really wants to express that “she” knows most of the guys at UG and they are “NICE” men. We may have a difference of opinion of what is “NICE”. I have read plenty at UG and “NICE” isn’t the word I would use. But let’s just look at what was being said there about the LISK case:

UG on lisk.JPG

” it’s getting interesting”, “I hope everyone has their nose clean”. If they were such “NICE” men, they wouldn’t need to worry about “clean” noses, no?

ug magic not dead

When someone brings up coming forward with information lightweight brings up Seeker. The lol tells us it’s a joke, but since I have done some reading there, it’s not very funny. They also brought up Magic. Another joke, I suppose. I definitely don’t think this means Magic isn’t really dead, but I bet those who wanted to believe Magic was Hackett read this that way. The truth is, some of those at UG loved to poke at Magic. There was some real hatred towards Magic from some of them. Mainly from Lightweight and Teps. They would play these story games on UG where each person would continue the story being told with each new comment, and lightweight just couldn’t help bringing Magic into each one:

lightweight magic dis1

lightweight magic dis2

lightweight magic dis3

lightweight magic dis4

lightweight magic dis5

lightweight magic dis6

That may be hard for some of you to understand what you are reading there. First off you have to read from bottom to top. Anyone who has read at UG knows how confusing that can get. Second, it’s not whole stories, just parts of different ones where lightweight felt the need to bring Magic into it. As you can see by the small portions, you probably don’t want to read their little story games anyways.

How many of you find UG’s story games similar to the types of games played at the “Drunken Stepfather” site. Yea, me too. But I’m not trying to say UG is connected to DS or Lake City Quiet Pills. Don’t go blaming me for mixing the 2 mythologies. I’m just saying, like minds, maybe?

Alright, what I will say about all this is the dislike of Magic does circle around Morrie. Yes, it all comes back to Morrie:

ws ig on ccc1

There that sums quite a bit up, don’t it? I was still not reading at Websleuths when I first looked into The CCC and UG, I could have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had been.

So did Morrie harass Magic? Was Magic some kind of narc? The myhology only growing.

If you want, you can go and read for yourself what UG was talking about when bodies started being discovered off Oak Beach:

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/threads/4-bodies-found-on-li-2-could-be-cl-girls.42531/page-6

As I said before, it’s strange that they don’t mind anyone being able to read all the stuff they post on UG. And it’s eerie reading there. So if you didn’t click and read, I understand. To just point one thing out I will post a couple more comments from that thread:

ug on lisk2

ug on lisk1

“NICE” guys or not, I don’t see The CCC helping, even if they did know one of their members could be involved. Like with all the other corruption in Long Island, no one wants their own “Dirt” looked into.

I really should stop now. But that comment:

emily on ccc

Is this the same Emily who was on UG? They sure do want me to think so. Maybe it is. But if it’s not, there can really only be one person behind it:

cynthia on ccc

Don’t they sound a little alike? I know who wrote that. That’s NERD. He admitted writing it, just as he admitted to being PS149 and Seaslug44. I find the 2 comments so similar that even if the new one is from Emily, I would have to wonder if NERD knew her in some way. Which would be a whole other kind of thing. And this is already very murky.

So, for me, I’m gonna assume that NERD wrote that (I know all about assuming, we’ve talked about this before, and I’m more than happy to make an ass of myself to show the ass in others, you know this).  To understand this you only need to know how NERD likes to involve himself in UG stuff. Back when screen names from UG were popping up on MM7’s and my blog NERD was part of the games:

teps ccc lisk blog

lightweight and teps

I don’t know if those are the Teps and Lightweight from UG. Because when it comes to NERD, you just can’t know. He uses many different IPs. (though still was partial a few for a while) and NERD loves to have ongoing conversations with himself with different screen names. Even if those are the real CCC guys, I am pretty sure these ones are NERD:

puppetmaster

sirmixalot

Even if these are other Websleuthers or UG members, or friends of NERD, it don’t matter, I know for a fact these are NERD’s:

nerd as genius at mm7

nerd as amd on UG

nerd pom

And yes, as I said, this one is NERD as well:

cynthia on ccc

Where to even start… well, NERD chose Genius as one of the UG members to pose as. Unless NERD is Genius. I doubt it. But Genius is on UG, one of the nastier members in my opinion. I wonder why NERD picked that screen name to bring to life in the comments of my blog.

Damn. this is getting long, but I know some of you will appreciate all this. Some of you are already lost, I’m sure. I do apologise for that. I also bet at least one person does not appreciate any of this. I do not apologise for that, you had your chance to clear things up.

So Nerd, aka PS149, aka Seaslug44 had a lot to do with The CCC and UG being brought up. He definitely was part of all the hoopla that got me to go read at UG. But back then I could only guess NERD was PS149, and I had no idea he was Seaslug44, so I would have no idea why NERD knew so much about UG and The CCC. I still don’t, well other than mythology and NERD’s not so believing attempt to explain it all to me. But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. You know how I do that.

Those from Websleuths probably already know where I am going, because it was discussed there when Seaslug44 became one of the many Websleuth members who cross over to POI for other Websleuth members. Because this was found:

sealug44 ug profile

Yep, Seaslug44 was a member at UG, since 2005 I should add. Now this has been explained in many diferent ways by Seaslug44, most he admits were lies. Let’s start with the ones he told other Websleuthers about how he made that account to help find someone, or something like that. Here I’ll let him explain it:

nerd on ss44 on ug to ws

So NERD, or should I say SS44 was called out for having an account on UG, and instead of saying it isn’t him (which he claims it really wasn’t), he makes up some elaborate story to explain why he might have made an account up. All this to cover up a more elaborate story about a crazy ex-wife. But this is where I stared to wonder how honest NERD was being with me. We had talked about a lot of things, and I could understand and believe most of what he was saying. This wasn’t adding up to me.

As I said, the Seaslug44 account was made in 2005, which when I brought up, he acted surprised:

nerd on wife ug

He didn’t realize when the “fake” account was made? He wanted me to believe that he got accused of being a serial killer because someone had made a fake account on a “hobbyiest” site that he did all sorts of searching into, but he never noted when the “fake” account was made? Yea, that don’t seem right. Plus he wants me to believe that his wife was mad at him back in 2005 and made this “Fake” account to screw with him. But he didn’t  even know about it until the thing was brought up on Websleuths. Which by the way he decided to make up a lie about because his wife (who he was still with at that point) could be on Websleuths messing with him. If it’s true, I’m sorry, but I just can’t buy all that. Why would his wife use UG to get at him? Why would she know about such a site. And if she or anyone else made the account in 2005 to mess with him, why did he not even know about it till after it was brought up on Websleuths many years later? NERD’s explanations started getting harder to accept. And then of course I wrote the post about NERD being PS149 and Seasslug44 and I didn’t hear from him anymore. I understood, so I didn’t pester him with more questions, even though his answers on the CCC  and UG stuff just didn’t make sense to me.

Then as I started thinking about making the CCC posts, UG went down. I’m still not sure why it was down, but it was down for quite a while. I had to get some other posts out, but The CCC posts were building in my head. And right before I started putting it all down, UG came back up. Which I thought was great because now there would be references for what I was writing about if anyone wanted to search it out themselves. Which is always best… don’t take my word for anything, go see it all for yourself and make your own decisions. But as I said before, when UG came back it changed just a little. Some comments about The CCC seemed to be gone and the Seaslug44 account, that had changed too:

seaslug44 UG pic

I don’t know who that is, but it ain’t NERD.

Strange, there hadn’t been any comments or interaction from that account on UG since this:

seaslug44 ug

Nothing else since 2005. And the picture and info had always been blank:

sealug44 ug profile

But now, years later, and not long after I speak with NERD, aka PS149, aka, Seaslug44 the UG goes down and returns with an updated SS44 account:

new seaslug ug pic

Weird, right? I’m not saying this means anything. I don’t know if someone asked Slinky Bender to change or remove stuff, or maybe it’s just all unrelated coincidences. All I do know is I decided to see what NERD thought about it:

nerd block1

nerd block 2

And with that I was blocked. Fine. Just remember you came to the blog with your games NERD, all I did was figure them out. Go ahead and think I’m the bad guy. You are in good company. You don’t have to explain anything to anyone, but these questions are there.

Oh, and if you are behind the new “Emily” comment, NERD, WTF? Do you really think a third go at all this is a good idea? Just come clean and apologize for once again coming to my blog and thinking I’m still playing, when I said long ago, I’m done playing.

Wow, I really did go too far here. We really should have just stuck with part 2. A little late now though.

When it comes to The CCC there might not be much more than mythology. But that mythology is very thick.

whereitat ccc like brothers

 

Shit Meet Fan

Sorry for the title, but that’s how this time of year usually feels for me, and it’s everywhere at the moment.

I know you were all expecting part 3 to the CCC posts, and it’s still coming, but I have to take a moment to acknowledge everything going on right now.

Any long time readers know that September and October are pretty much dead times on the blog. If you go back and look, I don’t post much during these times. This, most of you know, is because I work at one of the top haunts in America… but no shameless plugs. If you do go back and look at those times of year, you’ll also see people seem to come out of nowhere at these times. So it’s no surprise someone who has done this before, chose right now to poke his head back in and say hello:

return of som 2

That’s Son of Man, Aka Sebastien Rathier. Remember him? If not, you can go back and read the posts about him, because I ain’t going to waste time getting back into SOM and all his delusions. What’s important is that SOM thinks it’s cute to post stuff on my haunt character’s social media. Which is where that comment above was left. Some of you might remember, he did this before. And while I find it amusing when one of the nuts tries to bring that part of my life into all this. It’s also irritating.

Back when Jen G. found out personal stuff about me, she floated the idea that I might be trying to use my LISK blog to self promote. Which was ridicules. Then once I started this blog, “Zero’s World” other’s followed suit and started looking into my personal life, bringing up my wife and kids, my brother and my “scary” haunt character, so I said fuck it… if everyone is so interested in my personal life I would make this blog more personal. Not self promoting, but I tried to show me in real life from time to time, not just the asshole everyone loves to hate here in internet land. But anything I put out there was used against me time and time again. Which I knew could happen… so… say la vie.

Still, as I said it’s irritating. Back when no one knew who I was, people cried out, you could be anyone, Mike, Hackett, Wolff… any of the big bad guys that people were making up at the time. So I let personal stuff out there to show, I was just who I say I am, and that it really holds no connections or hidden agendas. Then I’m self promoting. Yet it’s most of you out there promoting me. You dug deep to find what ever you could and what did ya find? I have a wife and kids. I told ya that. I work at a haunt, yep, mentioned that as well. These are not things I’m trying to promote here though, nor are they things any of you internet nuts should be using to “get even” with me.  It’s irritating, but it ain’t gonna razzle me (I like that word, RAZZLE!).

So SOM, listen up. Go back into hiding. Remember we talked about those pesky fleas. Don’t be a flea right now. I ain’t got time to scratch at an itch that is slightly irritating at best. Go fight the good fight against nuclear energy.

This goes for everyone. I promise I will take the time, one last time,  for anyone who still wants to play games at some point (November). But can’t we stay above it for just a moment? After all the shit is hitting the fan all over:

fake news

fake news under pic

This article hit 3 days ago and got all our attention. Right away, many of us questioned if it was real. So far, the article is still there to be read:

http://www.sundaypost.org/2017/09/08/decapitated-female-body-found-in-a-suitcase-at-jones-beach-sparks-long-island-serial-killer-fears/

But just in case it does go away, here is what it says:

fake news 2

fake news 3

fake news 4

WOW BOB WOW! Right?

But there are many reasons to question this article. First no one has seemed to see this story mentioned anywhere else. Well one person did say they saw it on the news, but she doesn’t like it when I mention her here. So I wont.

There is also the Tweet:

fake LE tweet

No one knows if this is a real tweet. I can’t find proof it existed.

It isn’t there. Maybe it was taken down, but why?

Then there it the article’s author David Lee… is this guy even real? I sure can’t find another article by him. The picture may be a stock photo of some kind… but I did find the same picture being used here:

https://forum.fiverr.com/t/need-logo-designer-of-graphics-artist/138762/6

dave lee

dave lee william

Now is this just some other random person using this fake picture or is this who wrote the article? Somewhere it don’t add up. Why isn’t LE stepping up to confirm or deny this article? Yes, something here does not add up.

But this was only the beginning right?

Because then we all read this:

Bittrolff connected

And if the discussions of Bittrolff being guilty or set up weren’t already in full force… this would have done it. But the discussion was already a heated subject, so this only fans the flames.

LI carpenter could be Gilgo Beach serial killer, tied to Craigslist murders: prosecutor

Yes, this is interesting. Why now? I wonder myself. But I think you all know how I feel about Bittrolff. So I will patiently wait to see where this goes as usual.

Besides, the biggest shock came while we were all still trying to get our heads around all this:

lh arrested

http://longisland.news12.com/story/36356616/babylon-town-councilmember-arrested-on-assault-charges

Is this the beginning of the end?

lh assult

And how about those other times?

LH MG.JPG

The timing on this is unbelievable. As most of you know I have been staying away from too many posts on the newly infamous Lindsey Henry. But some of you also know that after I was finished with my CCC trilogy, I was finally gonna set my sights on the councilman from Babylon. Bring everything that has been floating around out there together into a neat little bow.

And then this happens.

Man Lindsey, you just added to that post. As well as the amount of people who will probably read it.

Maybe all this shaking up will finally lead somewhere. I know a lot of you have no faith in the local LE, and I don’t blame you. But maybe, just maybe, things are starting to crack.

I hope so.

No mater what happens, as I said before, this blog is gonna move right along towards graduation day… so let’s keep moving…

Where was I?

Oh yea, The CCC…

Well, let’s get back to it…

The Truth About The CCC Part 1

Over the years a lot has been said about a group of men in Long Island called The CCC. With all the stories floating around, it has become somewhat of a myth. I think it’s time that myth was cleared up.

Finding the whole story behind The CCC can be a little difficult. There are lots of rumors and hearsay out there and it’s all scattered. The best place to get the truth is to read it directly at the site The CCC originated: Utopia Guide. I think most people know by now about Utopia Guide, it is a site where Johns, meaning sex trade clients, discuss what they call their  “hobby”. That “hobby” being paying for sex.

I will get more into Utopia Guide as this post grows… but for now I should point out, that Utopia Guide was down for a little while recently. I noticed that when the site came back up, some of The CCC stuff was gone. That will make this a little harder to get at the root of The CCC… but as we all know, once it’s on the internet, it can be found.

Since DPH is where I first got some kind of story about The CCC, that’s where we will start:

dph ccc lie

WTF?!? Dorothy wrote that back in January, and it is complete Dorothy Dog Shit! The thing is, she knows this is a lie. Don’t you Dorothy? I mean you know you made this up, don’t you? Again I have to ask, those around Dorothy in everyday life… is she crazy and you don’t care? Do you just not see it? Does she cover up the crazy? Or is she doing this on purpose? Which ever it is, and I’m starting to wonder if we will ever really know for sure, her comment above about The CCC mixed in with Fluke “neighbor agenda” and “Burke propaganda” is exactly why I decided to finally put this post together. It’s crap, and it makes an already complicated thing, more complicated. So please, try again Dorothy:

jerry dph ccc

Well, that’s closer to the story you and MM7 first told me… let’s just cut to the chase:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/?s=the+ccc

That may be a little confusing, some of it is comments left on UG about a guy with the screen name magicfingersny. I believe MM7 wanted to show proof that The CCC existed, because there were a few out there trying to convince her it was a joke, a made up thing. On her blog people using screen names from UG straight up told her The CCC was a hoax:

wolf5958 mm7 blog

I should point out DPH was convinced Wolf5958 was her ex husband. I did a quick google search and decided it was not her ex husband. In fact I’m guessing anyone looking into The CCC looked all into this screen name… they have enough of a trail online to do so. This was one of the many times I questioned how much of the false information being put out there was on purpose. I mean Dorothy and MM7 had to have found everything I did, I found everything they did. So they had to have known this wolf was not Dorothy’s ex husband. And therefore connecting Dorothy’s ex husband to UG and The CCC by a screen name that they knew wasn’t him? I’m just saying. What am I saying? Oh yea, I don’t think wolf5958 from UG was Dorothy’s ex husband, that’s what I’m saying.

Still… all the screen names from UG popping up on MM7’s blog didn’t help with the confusion. Which obviously was the point, which is why I believe they showed up on my blog as well:

teps ccc lisk blog

teps lisk blog

Man, I was all so new to these games back then. And I had no idea if these were people from UG or just trolls. Back then I just figured it was people wanting me to look at UG and The CCC. I mean why bring attention to themselves if it was really them? But now I wonder… could some of them been the real UG screen names they claimed?

lightweight and teps

Either way it got me reading UG (thanks, a lot), and there I could see where DPH and MM7 got their story from:

teps magic ccc 2008

So this is what MM7 had posted on her blog, and it does seem to show that there was a CCC and this guy Magic was kicked out of it. The reason why seems to stem from Magic posting on UG about girls without really using their services. In hindsight, the story of Magic’s fall from The CCC is worth looking into… but back then, I didn’t know it. What I did know, was the story DPH and MM7 got out of all this was crazy.

If you don’t know the story, this is basically it:

4 men, who were part of group called The CCC were responsible for the AC4 murders. Not together, but 4 guys each took turns killing 1 of the 4 girls. Then years later they get in a fight with a member of this little group, Magic, and kick him out of the group. But Magic knows about the murders they each committed and is determined to get even with them. So Magic then goes and kills 4 girls, the GB4, wanting to make it look like his old buddies were responsible.

I swear, that’s the story DPH and MM7  were telling. That was what they came up with after looking into The CCC and UG. I blame television.

So, as I already wrote, DPH thought her ex husband was in The CCC. Dorothy also thought Fluke might have been in The CCC. Dorothy and MM7 also believed Brewer was part of the group:

mm7 brewer is lw

I already said that I don’t believe Dorothy’s ex husband was part of the CCC, but Fluke? Maybe… and Brewer? Interesting thought, huh? We will have to come back to that. Another person they connected to The CCC was Hackett. In fact they believed that guy Magic was Hackett. This of course fitted everything Fluke was selling both DPH and MM7 about Hackett. Out of all of them, this one is definitely not true. Magic couldn’t be Hackett, because Magic is dead:

magic dead 1 15 2010

And quite a few people comment about it:

magic memorial1

fuhecu2 magic stonehedge

 

billy s rip magic marc

When I saw all this (again, back then I was new to many parts of this) I couldn’t understand why DPH or MM7 would try to say Magic was Hackett. They were getting their information from UG, and they had to have known Magic was dead and therefore not Hackett. In fact I couldn’t figure out why they would think this was connected to LISK at all. I wrote the whole thing off at first. Which was easy, because I really didn’t like reading at UG. But they weren’t the only ones mentioning The CCC, so as with everything else I kept chasing it.

At the end of the day (I really hate that phrase and use it mockingly) The CCC and UG seemed to have plenty to look into without pretending Hackett and Dorothy’s ex were people they obviously weren’t. I also discovered you didn’t have to come up with some made for TV story about a serial killer copycatting his 3 serial killer friends to connect The CCC to the LISK case.

To be continued…

Bittrolff & Oak Beach

There are a few things about the LISK case that I have come across that for different reasons I have tried not to discuss in open form. It seems though that now is the time to get to some of these things. Some are widely known at this point and some are not. I’m gonna start with one that is not.

When John Bittrolff was first arrested, some one came to me with a shocking realization. They had seen Bittrolff in Oak Beach before. In fact Bittrolff had worked on a garage of someone who had been a part of the timeline of Shannan’s night in Oak Beach.

I will get to the reasons I have not written about this till now, as well as why I have decided to put it out there. But first let’s just get it out there.

In the early nineties, there was some sort of firework explosion in the garage of Gus Coletti, and John Bittrolff is the guy who was hired to fix it up.

When I first heard this I was floored. If this was true, what a bizarre connection. I can tell you I have every reason to believe it’s true. The sources are reliable. So then all I could wonder was, is this just yet another strange coincidence that the LISK case is plagued with?

Although I did discuss this with a few people and it did get mentioned in the comments of this blog, for the most part I did not disclose the name of whose garage was worked on, and here is why.

First off, I had every reason to believe that LE would be looking into it. So I waited to see if it would come to anything. I did not want to harm the case by leaking something that could be twisted all over the internet before it had its chance to be investigated properly. In my opinion, all the stuff leaked and twisted early on is one of the main reasons the case is the mess it is today. When I started blogging about all this, most of the stuff I was discovering was old and already twisted. But this was different.

And I had every reason to believe it would be twisted. Gus was a favorite target for Fluke. And Dorothy, yes she would love to fit this into her delusions of grandeur. Last thing I wanted was possible good information being tainted with the rest.

Plus I didn’t know if it was important. Could the fact that a guy accused of killing at least 2 women, worked on the house where years later another possibly murdered woman had run to the night she diapered be a coincidence. I don’t know Long Island at all, but after everything I have learned about it is,it seems  everyone knows everyone else. And Bittrolff was a contractor. So maybe it wasn’t anything at all.

So I was conflicted. When you say it out loud, “Bittrolff worked on Coletti’s garage”, it seems like a headline… a missing connection. But in the LISK case there are many connections like this (and I’m about to get to others as well in the next few posts) that seem to be big, but go nowhere. I myself believe Gus’ encounter with Shannan and Pak was as we have been told. Gus did not know them or what was going on when it all came to his doorstep. I also tend to believe, when the cops arrived that morning, everyone involved, meaning LE and the residents who had come out to greet them, thought Shannan had left, most likely with Pak. I may be wrong, but I don’t think anyone at that time had reason to think otherwise.

Of course I could be wrong, but that’s how I’ve come to see it.

I believe Gus wanted to help Shannan, but didn’t have any idea what was going on. So the last thing I wanted to do was throw red meat out there for people to feed on.

Hopefully you all get it. If it was just a coincidence, I didn’t want to further mix this case up with coincidence. Plus with Gus having passed, I did not want to further hurt his family or allow the likes of Fluke and DPH to continue to try and tarnish his memory. If it wasn’t a coincidence and it somehow connected Bittrolff to Shannan or the GB4, I did not want to corrupt it with internet interference.

So why now?

Well first off, Bittrolff was found guilty for the murders of Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee. So this makes Bittrolff more than just one of the many suspicious characters being disused in the LISK case. Plus there are stories that Rita Tangredi’s daughter, Amanda Beinlich, was best friends with Melissa Barthelemy. More coincidence?

With my blog coming to an end soon, I couldn’t leave this undiscussed. So here it goes:

As I said, this may be just a big coincidence. But here are the things that make me question it. Bittrolff wasn’t hired blindly, meaning he was introduced to Gus by a mutual friend. Someone who knew Gus and also knew Bittrolff. I don’t know much about this mutual friend, but I can’t help but wonder about him. How did he know Bittrolff? Now just because this guy may have been friends with Bittrolff doesn’t mean anything. If Bittrolff is a serial killer, and after his conviction I feel safe saying he is, then he was good at hiding his evil side. His friends and family had no idea from what I have read, and still don’t believe it. So again, this mutual friend may not mater much, but I’d still like to know how well they knew Bittrolff. Now this “mutual” friend introduced Bittrolff to Gus and the garage got fixed. But did Bittrolff  meet anyone else while in Oak Beach? Did he continue any type of friendship with anyone there? Did he continue to visit there after working on Gus’ garage?

These are questions I can’t help wondering about. And again, if Gus or anyone else in Oak Beach continued to hang out with Bittrolff, it doesn’t mean anything, No one seemed to suspect him of anything. But you can’t tell me it’s not important to know when was the last time Bittrolff was in Oak Beach.

Speaking of which, from what I understand, the garage was worked on in the early nineties… we all know now what Bittrolff was up to back then.

I will stress one more time, that none of this means Bittrolff is LISK. But it is possible that at least some of the bodies or body parts found off the beachs lead back to Bittrolff. We know some of them lead back to Manorville .

So I hope someone is out there looking into his Oak Beach connections and visits.

Catechizing The LISK Murders

As many of you know I’ve been clashing with quite a few people and places out there lately. Yes, I bet Websleuths and all its Sleuthers are not crazy about my blog anymore. But they are still crazy, lol.

There are other places, secret Facebook pages, LISK groups, and such. I try to give them all the benefit of the doubt, but they all seem to be infested with nuts. Well I just found a place I hadn’t seen before and it has to be the most dangerous of them all right now…

I can not sit by quietly while this happens!

This group has to be exposed before something really bad happens. I only hope I’m not too late!

The group page is :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1004493239676354/

And it’s run by someone named Kim Vest:

https://www.facebook.com/kim.vest.353?fref=nf

I’m gonna call it straight out before I go any further, Kim seems like a member of the nut gallery. In fact I would bet on it. And it’s not just comments like these:

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Does she really think because 2 people are Asian that means they are probably friends? Yea sorry Kim, that’s a nutty thing to say. But that’s not why I say she’s in the nut gallery. It’s also not because she has nutty arguments with other nutty people:

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How familiar does this look to a lot of you?  This stuff is going on in so many LISK groups and pages. I’m not gonna get into all the parallels of what so many are involved in right now… but you see it right?

So Kim has a LISK group where she says some nutty things and has some nutty commenters who  I’m guessing came over from a Casey Anthony page. Yes, seen it all before… it screams crazy! But none of this is why I think Kim is part of the nut gallery and none of that is why I feel an urgency to point out what is happening on this page.

First off there is this:

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There ya go… the leader of the nut gallery, Dorothy Price Hill. But it get’s worse:

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Is everyone seeing this? Jerry the stalker has met Dorothy the queen LISK nut. This is bad. And it’s not just because these 2 could be very dangerous if they start working together, but as many of us know and you can see right there, Jerry thinks he knows who LISK is. If you have been paying close attention, everyone reading here knows who Jerry believes LISK is. But there is lots about Jerry you don’t know. But don’t worry, by the end of this post you will all know plenty. First though back to Kim’s little group. Jerry made his way there just the other day:

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That little fucker is talking about me. You little shit. I have said many times I’m no hero. I’m a fucking villain. I’m your villain now you little creep. Also to imply I make any money off this blog or the LISK case is so beyond stupid. This blog isn’t even a LISK blog, it’s primarily about internet nuts who screw with people. If you actually read it you’d know that, dumb-ass. LOL, yea, Jerry Jamie Hall is getting under my skin a little. Don’t worry though, I’m ’bout to scratch. One last thing ass-wipe, Zero’s World is one of the few places that has named this person you are talking about. And I would have gone deeper into it, but it is part of an active investigation. Going into it all in further detail could jeopardize it, if, and I say IF it pans out to a real LISK connection.

Now back to Kim’s groups. It’s a good thing I saw this today… because I’m telling you this is not good! Just look at the 3 of them together:

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Man, I’m not liking where any of this is going. And since I know exactly what has been going on behind the scenes and what Jerry stumbled into… Damn, I just don’t know what to do here, where to start and how much has to be said. To start with read this:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/jerry-hallech/

Also let’s just get this up:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

So Jerry or Jamie or what ever this creeps real name is got himself wrapped up in LISK by harassing the girl in this video. Both Jerry and the girl from this video have given me copies of some of their conversation. And yes, some of it confirms what many are hinting at… right plottmaster?  But let me make this clear, it’s all being looked at, and it has to be. Jerry running around harassing people, dropping hints, talking to other nuts, and having his friends send out links and snapshots of conversations is not helping anyone solve LISK. And if you are working with him… you are making a dangerous mistake.

What you don’t know is Jerry stalks and harasses females on the internet. So regardless of what he thinks he knows about the LISK case you do not want to let this guy into your life in any way.

Jerry and Jamie are fake names, and he likes  to use fake names. Let’s take a closer look at the Jerry account:

https://www.facebook.com/jamie.hall.31105

I really like his intro:

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Damn that’s funny. Coming from a guy who very much has bullied a few people lately. Listen, most of you know I wouldn’t say this if I didn’t truly believe this guy was dangerous… STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

I have now spoken to several people who say that he has stalked or harassed them. Wanting them to help him:

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He than latches on whether you try to ignore him or talk to him. He send’s this video to lots of different women claiming he made it for them:

I told ya… creepy with a capital CREEP! Does he really think “God Save The Queen” is romantic. I don’t know who Jerry made this video for, but I know he has sent it to at least a few ladies.

By the way Jerry belongs to many pages… did you notice this one?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/106138616389709/?order=&member_query=jerry&view=members

Yep, that’s our CREEPer:

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And just in case you don’t know what that group is:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achterdam_(Alkmaar)&prev=search

CREEPer!

OK, he sends different pictures out when he is tries to take someone into his madness:

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That’s not very clear. how about this one:

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There ya are. Well if that’s really him in the video. This guy is so crazy I don’t know how far he gets into his catfishing games. I mean this guy  is  wacko. But I think it is him in the video and that means that’s him next to Iron Man. I still don’t know who he is or what his real name is… but again, trust me, he is playing some strange games and you don’t want to be a part of it.

Now as I said in my last post about this nut, he had some “friend” contact me and give me info on his LISK POI and some of his stalking private messages between Jerry and the lady from John Ray’s conference. I’d like to post them all… plus the ones she sent me as well… it shows just how Jerry works. But I can’t there is sensitive stuff in it and I am not about to interfere with this case like some of you nuts. This friend who Jerry had contact me is the only connection to this scary internet stalker (and you know I don’t use that phrase lightly), his name is Hayden Lufkin:

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And let me tell you Hayden, by sending me the stuff “Jerry” asked you to send me, you interfered with an open serial killer case. I’m not joking either. Did you read any of that stuff you sent me? You need to step up and stop your so-called “friend” from these games he is playing. Not help him play them.

Again, the stuff Jerry Jamie Hall thinks he knows about LISK is already out there. It’s on this blog! You don’t need him. So don’t work with him. He is dangerous! And not like Dorothy or Susie or the other slanderous nuts. This guy has issues and he is looking for some unlucky lady to help him with them (did I mention he says he is married?). So for those of you who continue on and find out for your self. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya.

That’s where I have to leave this for now… this guy is crazy, he has weaseled his way into the LISK case, and now thanks to Kim he just met Dorothy Price Hill.

Hawkshaw

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So now that you know, let’s take a closer look at Hawkshaw:

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Still get a kick from his new avatar. So if you didn’t already figure it out (and I’m pretty sure everyone has), Hawkshaw is Dorothy and Susie’s detective friend Pete F. Pete was once a cop and because of that he has become quite the little insider at Websleuths. Now I know some of you like Hawkshaw, (some like TKAMB just pretend to like him), but that maybe because you don’t know much about his other screen name Petefio. We will get to Petefio in a moment and maybe you might like Hawkshaw a little less… maybe.

First I want to get right to what I think is the root of why I believe Hawkshaw is not someone who should be so wrapped up in the LISK case. It’s comments like this:

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You see to me comments like this make me think Hawkshaw doesn’t care who LISK really is, he just wants to see Burke go down for it. He doesn’t care if anyone make the evidence”fit”, because Hawkshaw feels Burke has made evidence “fit” for so many others. And this is a feeling Hawkshaw has had for a very long time. Well maybe not as long as he has thought Spota was doing it. It wasn’t till Pete started hearing word that Burke was going down that Pete started in on James Burke. But Spota, Pete has been after him for a long time. Most of you probably know right where that started. Now I’m sure Pete (Hawkshaw) knows all about “bad” cops from his time as a cop himself, but Pete’s obsession with Spota really started after Pete was retired. As a detective Pete worked on  what he calls the SIL case. SIL stands for Son In Law. It seems Pete’s son-in-law (who also was a cop) got arrested for burglary and Pete felt he was set up:

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LOL, “he thinks he knows”, yea, Pete is a riot, as we are about to see. but first we really need to understand this SIL stuff. You see Pete worked as a Detective on it using his knowledge of LE due to his time as on the force. But to me this already shows where Pete steps on the lines to get where he wants to go. I get he wanted to help out his daughter’s husband, but him being the father-in-law and an ex-cop well, it leads to bias, in my opinion. The strange part is that even though Pete says his SIL was set up, sometimes I’m not so sure he feels this way:

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And I don’t think he cared:

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This is what I mean. Pete doesn’t seem to care about truth. There are to many biased feelings involved. Before we go on, you should hear from Pete all about what happened to his SIL:

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He leaves a much shorter version on Websleuths:

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But here is probably his fullest version of the whole story:

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There’s a lot there. I’m not even gonna waste time picking through it here to make a judgment on whether or not the SIL was set up. All we need to know, is Pete believes it. And Pete has been getting into it with others online over these subjects for at least a decade now:

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And it goes on and on and on. Pete aka Petefio aka Hawkshaw makes sure to hit up anywhere and everywhere:

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I put there because Pete actually includes Nancy’s son in his list of criminals.

Look Pete Hawkshaw has been talking for years. About his SIL, about Spota, about Burke, about the LISK case… in fact Pete goes on and on about all sorts of stuff. And some of the things he has said are pretty messed up, we will get to some of his worst in just a minute, but first I want to take a look at 3 of Pete’s different subjects that I found interesting. First is about David Bianco and the subject of cops that kill:

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Just a couple of things here. Pete points out cops can be killers and even super detective Hawkshaw can’t tell the good ones from the killers. Also Pete has a peculiar way of using the initials BJ. This next thread is about Pete being a “victim”:

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I’m not even sure what all that means… but Pete says he was a victim and Pete should know. The last subject I’m putting up is Vegas:

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So Pete likes to gamble. And he seems to prefer Vegas to Atlantic City. Well we will have to get to gether next time you are in town Pete. Oh, and I agree, I hate those tickets.

So, Pete is obsessed with Spota, Burke, and busting Long Island LE. We all see that right? But that doesn’t mean Burke ain’t a dirty cop. He is. And maybe Burke is connected to LISK in some way. If so, I think it should come out soon. My point is that Hawkshaw is obsessed and is looking for what he wants to find. And that seems to be what most people involved in the LISK case are doing. People want to prove Hackett did it. Others want to prove Hackett is innocent. People want to prove Burke did it. Others want to prove other wise. Everyone gets lost in what they want to prove or disprove and forget the object should be finding out what really happened.

But you all can make your own judgement on Pete Hawkshaw. But let me point out he has worked with both Dorothy Price Hill and Susie S. That’s enough for me! Still just to help tip that scale let’s take a look at Pete’s most questionable comments (aren’t ya glad you looked into me for DPH Petey?):

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WTF? Did Pete just say his cousin was a serial killer? Damn.

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That one’s just creepy!

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Pete using the term blumpkins! Gross! Flukeyou used “blumpkins” in one of his comments before. If you still haven’t googled it please do. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Pete would use such a term, his humor is … well off:

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If you think those are bad, look at this:

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Yes, that one tells us all we need to know about Pete. Wal-marts, LMFAO!

Still say I’m wrong about old Hawkshaw? Well then you might like to hang out with him at Thee Rant:

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/9432/I-GOT-PULLED-OVER-IN-SUFFOLK-YESTERDAY?page=1

It’s a place for ex-cops like Pete. And as you can see from this reply to Pete’s Wal-marts adventure, there are people just like Pete there:

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But put all this nuttiness aside and the main thing about Pete that worries me is how involved  he gets:

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I mean he gets way up in there like the other nuts and then he says things like this:

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Or this:

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And worse… something like this:

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Remember that? I do. Then you see something like this:

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Just one question. Why is anyone taking him seriously? And look, 9 years ago Pete talks about how he somehow fucked up the Zodiac and Son Of Sam case:

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Hawkshaw has been everywhere and I’ve gone on quite enough about him for now. I just wanted to get it all out at once so we can continue moving on. Before we go, let’s go way back and see what Pete was like almost 20 years ago:

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It sure does seem like Pete was a little worried about Mayor Koch being gay. That’s funny to me, because I know some people make this a big deal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/ed-koch-gay-lgbt-community-nyc-mayor_n_2600891.html

I get it, Pete thinks Koch was gay because he passed legislation that benefited the LGBTQ community. and that bothered him. Pete is worried a gay guy might try to pick him up. Gross! Fuck Hawkshaw! There, I said it. I’m done.

I’ll leave you all with Pete’s own words. I’m sure he won’t get the irony in them but I bet most of my readers will:

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LISK Games

So I long ago concluded there were lots of people playing some sort of game with the Gilgo Beach Murder cases. Many people didn’t like me calling it games, but I don’t know what else to call it. Many tried to turn it back on me and say I am the one playing games. I understand that, but I’m really just shining a light on them all… to do that, I admit I had to get right down to the level of all these nuts involved. And believe me it has taken its toll.

But I don’t want anyone to get the idea that I think the LISK case is a game. Quite the contrary, I find that there is so many people playing some kind of game with an open serial killer case quite frightening. I don’t think anyone involved in this case is doing right by the victims. EVERYONE is out to prove, what they want to prove regardless of what is real. The LISK case is not a game and I am appalled by those who keep treating it like one. It’s why I do this. Well, one of the reasons… I told you all, I’m complicated.

Now before anyone bitches at me for saying EVERYONE is playing games with the case, let me just say, I’m not far from wrong. There all no absolutes, I know that. I said before I’m no Sith. But it’s a lot more than just a few Websleithers. More than a few angry neighbors. It’s more than just a few people off their meds and trolling the internet. That’s starting from the bottom and working up. Let’s start at the top. Chief of police James Burke is locked up right now. Anyone want to tell me he didn’t play games with this case? The Chief of Fucking Police! Or how about John Ray. One of the biggest mouth pieces in the case (and behind a lot of other big mouths). And when it comes to LISK Games… John Ray is one of the masters.

Go ahead hate me… I don’t care. I’m calling it as I see it. So please don’t come to me and say, “hey take that down” or “your messing with the case”. I’ve heard it all before. I asked for “last words” a long time ago… don’t even bother any more. We are past all that.

I long ago tried to move on from all the nuts who have pushed their way into the LISK case. I’ve done it a few times over the past 4 years. But there’s always been Dorothy and Flukeyou there to keep me involved. And even if they weren’t there is a number of nuts fighting their way into this. I’ve called a lot of these nuts out… we have a few left to go.. and new ones keep jumping up to say hi. So I have to just get it all out there now.

I know there’s a lot going on in secret pages and private messages right now. It’s crazy, right? But I have to bow out of all that. To many nuts seeping in. I made the mistake thinking I caught the attention of one nut pretending to be different people… tuned out it was 3 all new nuts. Well, I wouldn’t say all new. But first time they all reached out to me. And guess what, even between these 3 there are several screen names. So yea, I’m done playing the who’s who game… it always brings some new madness my way. So if I’m scarce in off blog activity for a while, I hope you all understand.

I started this blog keeping it all out in the open… on the blog. But since so many of the nut gallery like to do their dirty work off in private messages and phone calls, I had to do the same. And look where we are… how many have we knocked off in the past few weeks? I haven’t been to Websleuths lately, but I bet the games have quieted down.

So off the blog is no more… it’s been fun. But really it’s time to get the rest of this out of the secret discussions and out to be seen for what it really is. What ever that turns out to be.

Now before anyone reads the next post about our little “Joker”, EVERYONE needs to watch this video, and read all of the lyrics. I mean every word.

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Do any of you ‘member the screen name that started putting MM7’s mug shot everywhere?  Yea, we ‘member. LOL.

So Susie says a lot of stuff under screen names, but she also has a lot to say under her “Sue Name”. Shall we take a look at some of them? Yes we should:

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If I am seeing this wrong, please someone correct me. But Susie Mockingbird is a big part of the problem. In fact I put her in the top 3 next to Dorothy Price Hill and Joey “Flukeyou”  Junior. And Jen, Cristin, and Candyce, you round out the bottom 3. All 6 of them getting right up into the case. Truthspider and Hawkshaw are dangling from the scrap metal of this ship, with John Ray at the captain’s seat. Some may argue that Mari had a hand in letting some of these nuts get so close to the case, maybe… but John Ray has always been driving… still is.

 

Any Last Words? Part 2

It’s been a while since we all heard about Mari’s death and I said there would be a week of silence on the blog. Much more than a week has passed by, in fact a whole season has gone. Summer became Fall and Fall is half way through.

I recently wrote on here,  “the longer I stay away from the blog, the easier it is not to return”, and that keeps getting truer and truer. I like writing here and interacting with all the different readers (well most of you) but just letting go of all the madness that circles this blog and enjoying life these last few months has started me thinking towards ending the blog all together. I’m sure this won’t come to much surprise, I mean did anyone really expect it to go on longer than 3 years?

The problem is, even when the blog is quiet the nut gallery keeps on yapping. Dorothy declared war on the blog a few weeks back, I have to admit that brought a smile to my face. Some of you might have seen Fluke returned to let me know the blog sucks, thank you Fluke, coming from you that means a lot. I noticed some of the exiles like Susie S., Candyce B., and Crictin K. came out of hiding to say a few words about Mari, I don’t have anything to say about that, that was totally expected. In fact I expected many of the exiles to resurface and have things to say now that Mari is gone. I expected it, was worried about it, and saw it happen. I was a little surprised to see how many quickly turned on Mari, but I knew that would come too. Even her attorney who used to say how strong of a woman Mari was, and what a great mother she was, quickly changed his tune, accusing Mari of child neglect and mental illness. Comments flying around about Mari being into witchcraft and arguments on the difference of black and white magic…. more of the crap the LISK case does not need.

A few have come to me asking my feelings on John Ray and I was not kind with my words. More than ever the guy seems like a snake to me. But I have had more time to think about it, and maybe he is just trying to help the Gilbert family in any way he can now. Maybe he is just trying to do right by Mari and Shannan by saving Sarra. I don’t know, and it’s really not for me to pass judgment. The Gilbert’s have had too much tragedy in their lives, I’ve said that many times before, and I don’t want to be part of any hurtful words towards them. I think most of my readers understand that and know of my careful skirting around when it comes to the Gilberts. That hasn’t changed with Mari’s death, in fact it’s only made it harder. I don’t want to be writing about any of this, but the time has come to stop putting a new post off or just stop posting. And I’m just not quite at the latter yet.

Still I will not judge or question any of the Gilberts and I know that puzzles some of my readers. Yes, many of us have questioned about mental states of the family and if this played into them connecting to others with questionable mental state. We have all long ago seen that connection in the interactions between the Gilberts and those like Dorothy, Joey, Jen, Candyce, Cristin, and the list goes on and on. Questions of bi-polar and schizophrenia as well as other mental illness surrounds them all. But these are things long ago known, and I don’t see the purpose to pounce on it all now. I still strongly feel hurt and sorrow for the Gilberts, they have suffered a lifetime of tragedy and therefore I can understand (in some way) the reasons they go about things or the mental instability that comes with such tragedies. I just wish it didn’t affect the Gilgo Beach case the way it has and does. But I don’t lay that blame on the Gilberts. That goes right down the line bouncing back and forth between the Jens and Cristins and ends right at the top of crazy with Flukeyou and Dorothy.

Can you tell I’m struggling with this post? I’m this close to deleting all that I’ve written so far…

Look, I agree that things like the Shannan Facebook memorial and Mari’s blog have let questionable people get involved with lies and misdirection. I think some of those who joined Mari on the vigils and marches on Oak Beach have done great damage to the case and hurt the lives of innocent people. Yes, it’s a mess but I don’t see how blaming the Gilberts or shinning spotlights on their tragic home life will help solve the LISK case nor stop all the nuts who pushed their ways into it all.

I’d like to think Mari is with Shannan and all that tragedy and heart ache between them has dissolved, giving way to pure love, forgiveness, and an eternity of happiness. I hope they await us all someplace where all the questions and pain of life’s hardness are forgotten.

Still I know the questions for all of us live on, and many will continue to search for answers and some will continue to spread lies to confuse the rest of us. The question is will this blog be a part of it any more?

If this is to be the last year of the blog, at the very least I owe my readers the best “ta da” I can.

So… any last words… any one?

Cristin? Some public apologies maybe?

Jen? I actually contacted Jen a short while ago to question her on something Mari had told me about Jen. Jen, of course denied it and questioned my purpose for contacting her. Classic Jen. By the way Jen, I know you are talking to people, I hope you are keeping to the truth and not some made up “cloak and dagger” shit.

Candyce? Susie? Any thing to say? Doubt it. Not under those names at least.

Nerd? I know you are still out there. End some of the confusion, I know you can.

Joey? I know you have some last words, but it will just be the same old shit.

Websleuthers? Where ya at? I’m looking forward to some of the things you all have to say. I doubt you will like what I have to say about all of you.

Nancy? Just kidding, no last words needed from you. In fact I beg you… keep it on your Facebook.

Dorothy? Nothing you can say will ever make up for all the crap you have said and done. But if you have any last words, get ’em out, because you know I will have plenty of last words for you.

That goes for everyone really. Truthspider, Son of Man, Dawhoda, Gino, Mr. Harvard, Radionewz, Julia, Michelle McKee, PS149…

Any last words?

Now’s the time.

Michelle McKee Part 2

Not long after my last post a few weeks ago, Michelle McKee had tweeted something like “Don’t post your blog on your enemies site, because that let’s them see how many readers you have. Or should I say don’t have.” I’m paraphrasing because I can’t see the exact tweet any longer because that Twitter account is gone. This happens a lot on Twitter.

Since my last post was about McKee, it would be easy to feed into the madness and say that her Tweet must have been about Zero’s World and therefore her twitter being gone has to do with my Mckee post… lol… I’m not gonna do that though. Her tweet was for Deric aka KY (lol, I used to giggle whenever I saw his screen name… I know… I’m juvenile) and I’m sure her twitter being gone has something to do with all that as well.

McKee probably never even saw my other post and probably won’t read this one either. I don’t blame anyone for ignoring me… it’s a very rational thing to do. In fact I almost wasn’t gonna write this post, I was just gonna move on, lord knows there is plenty of other things to get to and I’m dragging my feet as usual.

Yes, who cares, skip it, move on.

But it said “to be continued…”

How many other post end with “to be continued” or hint to a continuing post and go nowhere? Don’t answer that, it was rhetorical. But there are way to many.

Plus McKee said I should “catch up while shutting the fuck up”:

mk tweet1

With McKee’s Twitter being gone, “shutting the fuck up” is all hers. Don’t worry, she’ll be back, if she doesn’t already have another twitter account. In the meantime… let’s all catch up. My way of course… so pay attention, I don’t want to lose anyone important.

Don’t know who Michelle McKee is? You should probably just skip this post then… but if you are curious… this is where to start:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/anonymous-rape-steubenville-rehtaeh-parsons-oprollredroll-opjustice4rehtaeh?page=1

Here are the 3 of them together before it would all go bad:

Michelle McKee, her blogger friend Alexandria Goddard aka Prinnie, and the subject of the tweets that brought me back into discussing them all again… Deric Lostutter aka KYAnoymous (giggle).

If you do not know of the Steubenville Rape Case, hit your google and read up on it. It is a tragic story. I have written about it in other posts but don’t plan to get to deep into it in this post. What happened there was tragic and I’m sure many think the 3 mentioned above are heroes for making the case national news. At one time at least. Because things got very muddy. Again, not gonna get to deep into all that. But things got out of control that’s for sure.

I’m sure some of you are asking, how did I come to follow the whole saga. Well that would be thanks to MM7, which as I said in part 1 of this 2 part post ( I don’t think it will become a trilogy post… but who knows? Trilogies are always best in my opinion… but you all know that), MM7 and McKee were friends of some sort (I think they know each other from the Casey Anthony case and possibly Websleuths…. everyone seems to have come from Websleuths at some point… you all have been there… right?)

But it is this tweet that got the ball rolling:

CK drone tweet

The red graffiti on the tweet is by Murt, who claims someone from anonymous (what an oxymoron that is, “someone from anonymous”, if not an oxymoron then something just as screwy, because who the fuck is really anonymous? Any one who claims to be right… well as long as you have you Guy Fawkes mask) sent him the tweet.

Now I should stop here to let the uninformed know that this guy Murt (who I know many online do not like and think he’s quite creepy) has had an online feud with Michelle McKee for years and years and years.

I should also point out, that long after all this MM7 admitted the drone she found in her yard probably belonged to her then husband’s friend, who was living in their guest house, (yes, she told me this, meaning that, like I said many times, everyone seemed to like messing with MM7). I don’t know when MM7 came to the relegation that the drone did not belong to her”self created” stalker, but we all know at the time she relentless that this toy proved she was being stalked and now that she had tweeted to McKee about it, McKee didn’t skip a beat getting Murt involved.

In return MM7 didn’t skip a beat making Murt the star of her defunct blog:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/murt-the-stalker/

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/just-when-i-thought/

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/you-be-the-judge/

Murt didn’t skip a beat making MM7 the star of his own “stalker playing victim” blog:

http://murtwitnessone.com/?s=drone

Radio didn’t skip a beat jumping in on all of it:

http://radionewz.net/2013/05/has-murtwitnessone-been-outed-as-being-in-a-sex-trafficking-ring/

Let me stop once more to say that I’ have blogged about most of this in other posts and you can find them all by clicking on different tags or categories you see connected to this post. The good thing about it all coming back up though is that I can add and update things. Like show you the actual emails between MM7 and Murt:

murt first email to mm7

murt email to mm7

For some reason Murt wrote MM7 twice… but I doubt he would have written at all if he knew what the reply would be:

mm7 reply to murts email

Yea, I bet he wanted to take his emails right back… or maybe not… Murt is a strange guy to say the least and he is attracted to the back ‘n forth. Regardless he replied:

murt second email to mm7

And with that they were all off to the races. It led all the way to Murt being the subject of a certain blog:

https://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/murt-many-names-many-agendas/

Before we go on I have to mention that when I went back to look at old posts I made on all this there are “links” that don’t go through any more. This is something I notice from time to time when reading my old posts, and this sucks. Sometimes the places I have linked just are no longer there, other times they may have been removed from people who don’t want me linking them here. It’s frustrating though, because I know what that is like reading at old places like “Catching LISK” and “LISK.com”. There are all sorts of “links” that no longer take you to where they once did. And that is the internet for ya. So since we are going back over all this, just in case the “link” to the Flukeyou post on Radionewz above doesn’t go anywhere or you are just to lazy to go click it… here is the post:

flukeyou on radio

Here is the 5 comments that go with this post:

comments radio fu1

comments radio fu2

That is definitely MM7, but as she comments, it’s probably not Fluke Boy Joey, and the Truthspider is probably also not really Truthspider at least not the Brendan Murphy one. Which is quickly demonstrated in a post supposedly written by Truthspider:

truthspider post on radio

And here is the 4 comments that went with the post:

comments radio spider1

comments radio spider2

comments radio spider3

MM7, once again letting us know these are not really Truthspider and Flukeyou (I wonder if that is the real Mockingbird, you know from Websleuths, yes I’m very curious about that). So these posts were just someone at Radio keeping the beat going… nothing wrong with that, right?

Keeping the beat going is what we all have in common. I wonder if MM7 ever realized that her friend McKee got her involved with people who were really making fun of her in a way. Yes, to me it seemed Radionewz was making fun of MM7 as much as they were Murt. If you read Radionewz enough, you get the feeling they think that about all those they write about. Yes, like this place in a way… but I lump myself right into it all, I admit I’m no better, well at least not much better… I’m not sure Radio does this… nor does Michelle, Murt, or MM7 for that matter. Ugh… 3 M’s.

They all think they are the sane ones and those out there playing the “back ‘n’ forth” with them are obviously crazy. And I agree… lol. Am I contradicting myself again? Sorry… it’s unavoidable.

I talk about parallel lines a lot, and I have to say, I see them here in 3 different groups connected by 3 crazy ladies (man, that comment might get me in trouble). McKee and her buddies Prinnie and KY (the 3 avenging angels turned 3 stooges) worked together, supposedly to help someone who had been victimized. Later they all turned on each other and accused the others of betrayal.

McKee then connects to MM7 who we all know was part of a group who worked together supposedly to help someone who had been victimized (in this case it was the victims and families of the victims in the LISK case). Later they all turned against each other and accused the others of betrayal.
MM7 then connects to Dorothy Price Hill who was part of the whole Lawless America/Bill Windsor group who worked together to supposedly help someone who had been victimized (in this case it was the countless lemmings wronged by out corrupt court system). Later they all turned against each other and accused the others of betrayal.
Yes, parallel lines. And almost all of them end in lawsuits or threats of lawsuits.

See, all very entertaining like I said. And, also like I said, very predictable… “the beat goes on”.

But Michelle McKee disagrees and just wants me to “catch up while shutting the fuck up”.

So are we all caught up? McKee, Prinnie, and KY got together to go against the evils of Steubenville. Some say questionable tactics were used by the 3 of them (parallel lines), which also brought the group Anonymous into, once again, questionable light. I’m not trying to start a fight with Anonymous, I have said before, the idea of Anonymous is beautiful to me, but in the whole of things, because anyone and everyone can be Anonymous, the fights they chose and the tactics they use are often questioned. And it isn’t getting any better for the group… the last 2 big operations against Trump and ISIS haven’t done a whole lot… the last I check both are still thriving. I’m just saying, maybe Anonymous needs to take a good look at itself… if that’s at all possible. “Itself” is a question on its own when it comes to Anonymous.

I got sidetracked… sorry.

McKee, Prinnie, and KY, under all the pressure, self destruct in a way and turn against each other. Which you can see played out in the posts of Radionewz way back in 2013, take a look:

http://radionewz.net/2013/10/michelle-mckee-to-subpoena-all-of-steubenville-rhinaman-goes-almost-hollywood/

This is from October 2013 and begins:

radio on mckee suepenas

See? Entertaining, ironic, funny, sad… all the things I said and more. In case you don’t see… this is about McKee planning to subpoena everyone in Steubenville back in 2013 and right now, the thing McKee want’s me to catch up on, the thing everyone is mad at KY about (now), is that KY is subpoenaing them all:

mckee sepeona

Yes, Michelle… you are your own worst enemy, we all are. There are some interesting comments on that Radio post:
comment radio on mckee lunatic

There, my crazy comment isn’t so far off then, right?  And I couldn’t agree more with Anita Sedative… clean up your own backyard before going into others… I say this all the time, don’t I… glass houses and all that? What else was said in the comments?

comments from radio on mckee meltdowns

Ahhh… good stuff. Want more?

http://radionewz.net/2013/10/michelle-mckee-now-blames-a-prinnies-doe-for-feeding-info-to-kyanonymous/

Lots of good comments in that one… way to many for me to snip… so you’ll have to click on the link and read for yourself (if the link still works whenever you read this).

Here’s 3 good ones I had to snip:

radio mckee anonymous

radio mckee ecorcisom

radio drunk mckee tweets1

radio drunk mckee tweets2

radio drunk mckee tweets3

Can I get a “Wow Bob Wow”?

In the comments of Michelle McKee Part 1, the subject of whether radio takes things too far came up… that’s up to the individual I guess… I’m sure McKee felt they did back then. Just as KY seems to think others took it to far now. I’m sure they all think I take things too far. And maybe I do. Then again maybe I just go where it’s taken. Again, that’s up to the individual.

I myself like reading at Radionewz and this blog is highly influenced from me reading there. They even summed this all up much simpler than the Frankenstein Monster you just read:

http://radionewz.net/2016/03/does-the-stuebenville-drama-ever-end/

radio new post1

radio new post2

Great post. Glad it was all summed up… I guess my own post really isn’t needed. Damn, another waisted 2110 words.

But since we took this journey to “catch up” (and we are really caught up now) I have to ask:

Was my tweet really so far from the mark?

Let’s look at it again:

zw tweet to radio and mk

I find it quite acceptable and right on the mark.

I have to stop… there isn’t much more to say… alright there’s always plenty more to say, but those eggs ain’t gonna color themselves.

Caught up and now shutting the fuck up… for now at least… again… trilogies are always the best!

The End?