Bittrolff & Oak Beach

There are a few things about the LISK case that I have come across that for different reasons I have tried not to discuss in open form. It seems though that now is the time to get to some of these things. Some are widely known at this point and some are not. I’m gonna start with one that is not.

When John Bittrolff was first arrested, some one came to me with a shocking realization. They had seen Bittrolff in Oak Beach before. In fact Bittrolff had worked on a garage of someone who had been a part of the timeline of Shannan’s night in Oak Beach.

I will get to the reasons I have not written about this till now, as well as why I have decided to put it out there. But first let’s just get it out there.

In the early nineties, there was some sort of firework explosion in the garage of Gus Coletti, and John Bittrolff is the guy who was hired to fix it up.

When I first heard this I was floored. If this was true, what a bizarre connection. I can tell you I have every reason to believe it’s true. The sources are reliable. So then all I could wonder was, is this just yet another strange coincidence that the LISK case is plagued with?

Although I did discuss this with a few people and it did get mentioned in the comments of this blog, for the most part I did not disclose the name of whose garage was worked on, and here is why.

First off, I had every reason to believe that LE would be looking into it. So I waited to see if it would come to anything. I did not want to harm the case by leaking something that could be twisted all over the internet before it had its chance to be investigated properly. In my opinion, all the stuff leaked and twisted early on is one of the main reasons the case is the mess it is today. When I started blogging about all this, most of the stuff I was discovering was old and already twisted. But this was different.

And I had every reason to believe it would be twisted. Gus was a favorite target for Fluke. And Dorothy, yes she would love to fit this into her delusions of grandeur. Last thing I wanted was possible good information being tainted with the rest.

Plus I didn’t know if it was important. Could the fact that a guy accused of killing at least 2 women, worked on the house where years later another possibly murdered woman had run to the night she diapered be a coincidence. I don’t know Long Island at all, but after everything I have learned about it, it seems  everyone knows everyone else. And Bittrolff was a contractor. So maybe it wasn’t anything at all.

So I was conflicted. When you say it out loud, “Bittrolff worked on Coletti’s garage”, it seems like a headline… a missing connection. But in the LISK case there are many connections like this (and I’m about to get to others as well in the next few posts) that seem to be big, but go nowhere. I myself believe Gus’ encounter with Shannan and Pak was as we have been told. Gus did not know them or what was going on when it all came to his doorstep. I also tend to believe, when the cops arrived that morning, everyone involved, meaning LE and the residents who had come out to greet them, thought Shannan had left, most likely with Pak. I may be wrong, but I don’t think anyone at that time had reason to think otherwise.

Of course I could be wrong, but that’s how I’ve come to see it.

I believe Gus wanted to help Shannan, but didn’t have any idea what was going on. So the last thing I wanted to do was throw red meat out there for people to feed on.

Hopefully you all get it. If it was just a coincidence, I didn’t want to further mix this case up with coincidence. Plus with Gus having passed, I did not want to further hurt his family or allow the likes of Fluke and DPH to continue to try and tarnish his memory. If it wasn’t a coincidence and it somehow connected Bittrolff to Shannan or the GB4, I did not want to corrupt it with internet interference.

So why now?

Well first off, Bittrolff was found guilty for the murders of Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee. So this makes Bittrolff more than just one of the many suspicious characters being disused in the LISK case. Plus there are stories that Rita Tangredi’s daughter, Amanda Beinlich, was best friends with Melissa Barthelemy. More coincidence?

With my blog coming to an end soon, I couldn’t leave this undiscussed. So here it goes:

As I said, this may be just a big coincidence. But here are the things that make me question it. Bittrolff wasn’t hired blindly, meaning he was introduced to Gus by a mutual friend. Someone who knew Gus and also knew Bittrolff. I don’t know much about this mutual friend, but I can’t help but wonder about him. How did he know Bittrolff? Now just because this guy may have been friends with Bittrolff doesn’t mean anything. If Bittrolff is a serial killer, and after his conviction I feel safe saying he is, then he was good at hiding his evil side. His friends and family had no idea from what I have read, and still don’t believe it. So again, this mutual friend may not mater much, but I’d still like to know how well they knew Bittrolff. Now this “mutual” friend introduced Bittrolff to Gus and the garage got fixed. But did Bittrolff  meet anyone else while in Oak Beach? Did he continue any type of friendship with anyone there? Did he continue to visit there after working on Gus’ garage?

These are questions I can’t help wondering about. And again, if Gus or anyone else in Oak Beach continued to hang out with Bittrolff, it doesn’t mean anything, No one seemed to suspect him of anything. But you can’t tell me it’s not important to know when was the last time Bittrolff was in Oak Beach.

Speaking of which, from what I understand, the garage was worked on in the early nineties… we all know now what Bittrolff was up to back then.

I will stress one more time, that none of this means Bittrolff is LISK. But it is possible that at least some of the bodies or body parts found off the beachs lead back to Bittrolff. We know some of them lead back to Manorville .

So I hope someone is out there looking into John Bittrolff’s Oak Beach connections and visits.

Susie Say So

Do any of you ‘member the screen name that started putting MM7’s mug shot everywhere?  Yea, we ‘member. LOL.

So Susie says a lot of stuff under screen names, but she also has a lot to say under her “Sue Name”. Shall we take a look at some of them? Yes we should:

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If I am seeing this wrong, please someone correct me. But Susie Mockingbird is a big part of the problem. In fact I put her in the top 3 next to Dorothy Price Hill and Joey “Flukeyou”  Junior. And Jen, Cristin, and Candyce, you round out the bottom 3. All 6 of them getting right up into the case. Truthspider and Hawkshaw are dangling from the scrap metal of this ship, with John Ray at the captain’s seat. Some may argue that Mari had a hand in letting some of these nuts get so close to the case, maybe… but John Ray has always been driving… still is.

 

Any Last Words? Part 2

It’s been a while since we all heard about Mari’s death and I said there would be a week of silence on the blog. Much more than a week has passed by, in fact a whole season has gone. Summer became Fall and Fall is half way through.

I recently wrote on here,  “the longer I stay away from the blog, the easier it is not to return”, and that keeps getting truer and truer. I like writing here and interacting with all the different readers (well most of you) but just letting go of all the madness that circles this blog and enjoying life these last few months has started me thinking towards ending the blog all together. I’m sure this won’t come to much surprise, I mean did anyone really expect it to go on longer than 3 years?

The problem is, even when the blog is quiet the nut gallery keeps on yapping. Dorothy declared war on the blog a few weeks back, I have to admit that brought a smile to my face. Some of you might have seen Fluke returned to let me know the blog sucks, thank you Fluke, coming from you that means a lot. I noticed some of the exiles like Susie S., Candyce B., and Crictin K. came out of hiding to say a few words about Mari, I don’t have anything to say about that, that was totally expected. In fact I expected many of the exiles to resurface and have things to say now that Mari is gone. I expected it, was worried about it, and saw it happen. I was a little surprised to see how many quickly turned on Mari, but I knew that would come too. Even her attorney who used to say how strong of a woman Mari was, and what a great mother she was, quickly changed his tune, accusing Mari of child neglect and mental illness. Comments flying around about Mari being into witchcraft and arguments on the difference of black and white magic…. more of the crap the LISK case does not need.

A few have come to me asking my feelings on John Ray and I was not kind with my words. More than ever the guy seems like a snake to me. But I have had more time to think about it, and maybe he is just trying to help the Gilbert family in any way he can now. Maybe he is just trying to do right by Mari and Shannan by saving Sarra. I don’t know, and it’s really not for me to pass judgment. The Gilbert’s have had too much tragedy in their lives, I’ve said that many times before, and I don’t want to be part of any hurtful words towards them. I think most of my readers understand that and know of my careful skirting around when it comes to the Gilberts. That hasn’t changed with Mari’s death, in fact it’s only made it harder. I don’t want to be writing about any of this, but the time has come to stop putting a new post off or just stop posting. And I’m just not quite at the latter yet.

Still I will not judge or question any of the Gilberts and I know that puzzles some of my readers. Yes, many of us have questioned about mental states of the family and if this played into them connecting to others with questionable mental state. We have all long ago seen that connection in the interactions between the Gilberts and those like Dorothy, Joey, Jen, Candyce, Cristin, and the list goes on and on. Questions of bi-polar and schizophrenia as well as other mental illness surrounds them all. But these are things long ago known, and I don’t see the purpose to pounce on it all now. I still strongly feel hurt and sorrow for the Gilberts, they have suffered a lifetime of tragedy and therefore I can understand (in some way) the reasons they go about things or the mental instability that comes with such tragedies. I just wish it didn’t affect the Gilgo Beach case the way it has and does. But I don’t lay that blame on the Gilberts. That goes right down the line bouncing back and forth between the Jens and Cristins and ends right at the top of crazy with Flukeyou and Dorothy.

Can you tell I’m struggling with this post? I’m this close to deleting all that I’ve written so far…

Look, I agree that things like the Shannan Facebook memorial and Mari’s blog have let questionable people get involved with lies and misdirection. I think some of those who joined Mari on the vigils and marches on Oak Beach have done great damage to the case and hurt the lives of innocent people. Yes, it’s a mess but I don’t see how blaming the Gilberts or shinning spotlights on their tragic home life will help solve the LISK case nor stop all the nuts who pushed their ways into it all.

I’d like to think Mari is with Shannan and all that tragedy and heart ache between them has dissolved, giving way to pure love, forgiveness, and an eternity of happiness. I hope they await us all someplace where all the questions and pain of life’s hardness are forgotten.

Still I know the questions for all of us live on, and many will continue to search for answers and some will continue to spread lies to confuse the rest of us. The question is will this blog be a part of it any more?

If this is to be the last year of the blog, at the very least I owe my readers the best “ta da” I can.

So… any last words… any one?

Cristin? Some public apologies maybe?

Jen? I actually contacted Jen a short while ago to question her on something Mari had told me about Jen. Jen, of course denied it and questioned my purpose for contacting her. Classic Jen. By the way Jen, I know you are talking to people, I hope you are keeping to the truth and not some made up “cloak and dagger” shit.

Candyce? Susie? Any thing to say? Doubt it. Not under those names at least.

Nerd? I know you are still out there. End some of the confusion, I know you can.

Joey? I know you have some last words, but it will just be the same old shit.

Websleuthers? Where ya at? I’m looking forward to some of the things you all have to say. I doubt you will like what I have to say about all of you.

Nancy? Just kidding, no last words needed from you. In fact I beg you… keep it on your Facebook.

Dorothy? Nothing you can say will ever make up for all the crap you have said and done. But if you have any last words, get ’em out, because you know I will have plenty of last words for you.

That goes for everyone really. Truthspider, Son of Man, Dawhoda, Gino, Mr. Harvard, Radionewz, Julia, Michelle McKee, PS149…

Any last words?

Now’s the time.

Dorothy, Flukeyou, & Dr. Peter Hackett

 

So back at the beginning of March something was posted on the “Praying For Shannan Maria Gilbert” Facebook page that really had me troubled. I kept going back to it to see if anyone else would correct it or at least question it, because it was just so far from right. We’ll get to that at the end of this post.
At the end of March Flukeyou came back to the comments. We haven’t heard from Junior since last summer:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2015/06/28/a-closer-look-at-flukes-comment/

Damn, that was almost a year ago. I almost thought we had heard the last from Fluke here at ZW. Nope… he has returned and his comment (as usual) also… so far from right. We’ll get to Fluke and his comment right before we get to what was left on the SMG Facebook page, and in the end you’ll see how it all fits together… but first let’s discuss how far from right Dorothy’s comment on Bill Windsor’s Facebook was. Yes, Dorothy left a new message on Bill’s FB. It happened in the middle of the month, sandwiched in between the SMG FB comment and Fluke’s comment here. The far from right sandwich. Whose hungry?

Miss DPH if you please:

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WTF?!? Anyone who follows the Lawless America saga (saga seems to be the new “it” word for my posts) knows of Bill’s ongoing tales of court corruptions and hatred for Montana. But what does Connie Plaissay have to do with any of Bill’s crap?

Again, Cristin (MM7) and Michelle McKee (and RadioNewz, though as parody I’m sure) brought Murt into the LISK case via MM7’s drone stalker and it should have been called out by anyone, everyone involved in any of it. I think I was the only one to call it out. Cristin never admitted Murt was not involved, McKee won’t even acknowledge her part in it, and RadioNewz never explained their satire posts about it did not in any way truly link Murt to LISK. In fact they all probably loved it. And as I have said before, this led to people saying Murt was Morrie (Morrie is CCC stuff, I promise we are getting to a CCC post very, very soon, but all this must be said first) and a post on Murt in the Shannan Gilbert blog (again showing Cristin’s influence on Mari at the time). Is this fun and games or are people wanting misinformation out there on the LISK case?  I seriously question this now, and maybe a few of you will by the end of this post.

So just how Cristin brought all the craziness from Murt, McKee, and Radio over to the LISK case… Dorothy keeps trying to bring the LISK case over to Bill and his Lemmings (in Nancy’s case, she did just that).

Why is she even commenting there any more? Didn’t she accuse Bill of being linked to LISK and the Drifter?

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Yes. There is Dorothy trying to bring the LISK case directly into Bill W’s lap. LOL at my mention. I seem to be angry with everybody… right? Key word is “seem”. I’m not mad at Bill, though the ones involved in these types of internet feuds that take it to the level of lawsuits really are a lowly breed (you all know who you are). Point is, Bill or someone should have caught on to Dorothy’s crap and blocked her from commenting on his stuff. Get the theme here yet?No? Well let’s start from the top then.

Dorothy posted her comment this month on Bill’s FB vaguely connecting what Bill said about Montana to Connie P. We all know who she got that name from… Mr. Joey “Flukeyou” Saclise Jr. We also all know the rumors behind the reason Fluke brings Connie into his circle of evil he claims are his old neighbors. No need to rehash them again. But it is sad that Fluke does not bring up Connie himself but relies on Dorothy (a woman in a questionable mental state) to do his dirty work. Gutless, shameless, and just plain less. So let’s get to Flukeyou:

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There we go… Fluke gives out names to Dorothy to drop in vague and cryptic comments all over the web, but he saves his favorites for himself. Junior has a beef with all his old neighbors, but man he really hates the Cannings . What ever his real issues with all of his old neighbors are, the association trying to kick his family out or his neighbors involved with extra marital affairs, possibly involving his mother (damn, I said I wasn’t gonna bring the rumors up), he seems to hold the Cannings’ most responsible. Which to me (though I’m no psychiatrist) is why he makes them the most responsible with holding back information in his tale of Oak Beach corruption and murder.

Enough psycho mumbo jumbo, let’s simplify it.

I have always said Dr. Hackett is and should still be on the radar of anyone who looks at this case or anyone involved in this case. There are many reasons in my opinion to feel this way, most recently the stuff that has come out on James Burke. After all, wasn’t Hackett  the former director of Suffolk County emergency services? I still feel he is a strong suspect. But as I have said before, Flukeyou, Dorothy, and others only made me less suspicious of the Doc after seeing the lies and games they got out there early on in all this. And even though Cristin and even Nancy were smart enough to get away from the lies and misinformation that has come from you all getting together, Dorothy and Fluke keep it going to this day (as their recent comments show).

Fluke (and I hope you are reading this), if you just wanted to say CPH=LISK, and explain all the reasons you think it’s him, that would be one thing. But to get crazy women on the internet to help you in smearing every one of your neighbors is down right psychotic. Even if you really thought some of your neighbors were hiding something, the personal attacks would not be necessary. You have deep-rooted issues that have created this obsessive hatred for those you once called neighbors.

More psycho mumbo jumbo… pointless, you guys aren’t gonna see what you do. And it seems you aren’t gonna stop what you do. But why is the misinformation and straight out lies not confronted more? (How many times have I asked that question?) Other than here, that is (yea, that’s for the haters).

If you can’t trust LE for the right information, who can you trust? When everyone on the internet is chasing the same misinformation, who can you trust? When even the families of victims and those close to the case are taken in by misinformation, who can you trust? Who can you get the right information from? And more importantly, is it so tainted that no one has the right information to work on? Is everybody that far from right that a tragedy is badly being misrepresented and misguided, leading it to remain unsolved?

Well, I once again point out, that if Cristin and McKee hadn’t connected (pretended) Murt as MM7’s so-called  drone stalker and if Cristin wasn’t helping Mari with the Shannan blog, I’m sure this post never would have been out there: https://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/murt-many-names-many-agendas/

And that’s just one example of the many in the pages of this and my LISK Blog. Everyone involved in allowing it, even me. Yea, but at least I’m trying to call it all out (again, for my haters, though I don’t know why, most never make it this far in a post if they even read them at all). I keep calling it out because I don’t understand it. Do any of you really think you are helping?

Fluke? Dorothy? Jen? Anyone? I know I’m not. And I really do try to. Yes, even though I lost faith in the “saving the world” via internet long ago, I still try to help point out the lies, agenda, and just plain misinformation out there on the LISK case. I have grown close to the case and would like to see it solved and the victims and all that knew them to see justice and have some kind of closure.

Yes, I try to help, but sadly I know that this blog is not in the position to do so. If I can see that, I would think those of you so obviously doing your best to spread bad information must know you are not helping. Right? And everyone who helps it spread or just let’s it sit without any attempt to set it right… well you know you are not helping, right?

So the question becomes who really wants to help solve this case? I know there are some out there, but the ratio is just all bad. There are just way to many who seem to not care about helping at all or are just to crazy, stupid, or stubborn to see they are not helping. Which brings me to what was left on the “Praying for Shannan Maria Gilbert” Facebook page:

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Go ahead, go see what Jason Edwards linked in his obvious attempted to accuse Hackett of being a serial killer:

http://www.altitudemedicine.org/dr-peter-hackett/

I know I don’t have to point out to anyone here that the Dr. Peter Hackett in that link, the Dr. Hackett who is said to be a world-renowned high altitude expert and altitude research pioneer as well as former Rolling Stones physician is not the same Dr. Hackett who was neighbors with Flukeyou and involved in the LISK case. But I guess no one looking at the SMG FB could tell the difference, or if they did no one corrected it. I almost did, but I wanted to see if anyone else would, plus I don’t like posting there. I just wish it didn’t let so much misinformation out there in a place where people go to look for real information and pay respect to Shannan. I would hope those running the page know that is not the same Dr. Hackett. But closer look shows that the page is actually the only one to “LIKE” what Jason Edwards had to say. So I don’t know. Is this done on purpose? Again I ask, does anyone truly want to help solve this case? Because this does not help.

And how about the Dr. in Colorado? Does he deserve to be posted on the memorial of a murdered girl as a possible suspect just because he has the same name as the Oak Beach Doc? I would hope no one would think that was OK. And yet the comment and link still sit there almost a month later, uncorrected, unquestioned, and “LIKED” by the page.

Maybe Mr. Edwards really thinks the 2 Docs are the same (Can you imagine the 1 legged Dr. climbing mountains in Colorado?) or maybe he is just someone who likes to spread misinformation and confuse people on the internet (like most of my haters). It’s hard to tell anymore. This kind of stuff has been being put out there 3 years before I started writing about it all, and it still continues 3 years later.

So how can anyone get passed all the wrong info out there on this case… when everyone is so far from right?

The JBs Of LISK

I started this post a while back, after the news of John Bittrolff’s arrest. I found all the JBs floating around  the LISK case curious. I started to shy away from LISK related posts though, so this post and a few others were never finished or posted. I really wanted to just see where it was all going. The Bittrolff case keeps being pushed back, wonder if there’s good reason. But with other news finally coming to a real light, and the FBI finally getting involved in the LISK case (at least publicly) I thought I’d go back and touch up this post and actually post it:

Joseph Brewer:  Brewer was one of the last people to see Shannan Gilbert alive. He hired her through Craigslist, she spent hours at his house, leaving with him at some point, returning to Brewer’s home a short time later. Then after some confusion between Shannan, Brewer, and Shannan’s driver, Michael Pak, Shannan ran off, according to her panicked 911 call, afraid for her life.

All this alone would make Brewer a suspect in at least Shannan’s death, I would think. But he was ruled out as a suspect fairly quickly. Many find that puzzling, and I would have to agree. Besides the fact Shannan was hired by Brewer and ran from his house in fear, which I said was reason alone to keep him on the suspect list tell the case was actually solved, there are other things.

I’ve read mixed stories on Brewer both cooperating with LE and not being so cooperative. Which is correct, maybe they are both true. Maybe there are things he was not so cooperative about, and if so, again, why was he cleared so fast? He was definitely not very cooperative with Robert Kolker, the author of “Lost Girls”. In fact from my reading of the book, I got the feeling Brewer was trying to “yank” Kolker’s “chain”, I got the idea Kolker felt that way as well. Brewer tells Kolker he has information that could help, but he wants money from Kolker to explain further. Really? If he had information that could help shouldn’t he have already given it all to LE? I guess that depends on how cooperative he was.

In fact the only information he seems to have for LE or Kolker has to do with him and Shannan discussing if he runs into a lot of transsexuals when he orders up call girls online. Brewer has stated that when the subject of transsexuals came up, he started to wonder about Shannan and wanted her to leave.

All of that just doesn’t seem right to me. I don’t believe that is why Shannan ran from the house, none of what I have heard Brewer has said seems to make any sense. I’m guessing Kolker felt the same, because even though Brewer hinted that was the core to the case, Kolker did not seem to buy into it and did not spend a lot of time on Brewer’s strange transsexual link.

Which brings me back to LE. What did Brewer tell LE for them to take him off the suspect list so fast? They bought the whole transsexual discussion? There has to be more there, but from what I have seen, Brewer isn’t helping and therefore, still a suspect. Definitely suspicious.

There are lots of strange things that jump out when looking at Brewer, but the most damaging in my eyes is written in a book called “Confessions of The Oak Beach Drifter”. I own and have read this book whose author is named simply: W. When it comes to W and this book there are all sorts of things we could discuss (some even dealing with Dorothy and Cristin who both had quite a bit of contact with the author of “Confessions Of A Oak Beach Drifter”)  and maybe at a later time I will do a post dealing with this book in more detail. For now just a little back ground for those who don’t know much about it.

At some point it became public that there might have been someone staying with Brewer the night Shannan went running from his house. The news reports on this mysterious individual dubbed him a drifter and the name stuck. Some thought Hackett gave info to LE on this “Drifter” to take the heat off him, others thought it might have come from Flukeyou aka Joseph Scalise Jr. (another Oak Beach resident, but you all know Fluke) to help confuse the case even more. But after talking to the drifter myself, as well as reading different comments he has posted on the blogs and sites I’ve been to, and as I said, reading his book myself, it is clear that the Drifter believes it was Brewer who told police he (the Drifter) stayed with Brewer at the Oak Beach home. The drifter has also clearly stated that he had left the beach house before the night Shannan was there. How it was leaked to media or LE is not too important at this point, though if it was someone like Joey or Hackett, I guess it could be. Just makes sense Brewer brought up the drifter, so I’m gonna leave it at that, but as I said, this book brings up all sorts of things to be discussed.

The reason I’m bringing it up now is because of some of the things said about Brewer and the beach house by the book’s author.
In the book the author calls himself Vito (boy did Cristin and Dorothy chase that name around) the name given to Brewer is Damon. It should be noted that Damon (Brewer) is said to be someone Vito (Drifter) went to school with (“an old school buddy”) yet Damon doesn’t come into the Drifters book till page 256, chapter 59 in a book of 63 chapters. The book describes Damon (Brewer) as “a degenerate drug addict who ran into some money when his father passed away”.  Although the first 58 chapters is full of drug deals and busts, dealers and users, so it’s fair to say Vito’s circle of friends consisted entirely of the type of people Brewer is described to be. In fact the whole reason Vito and Damon get together after all these years is because Vito is hiding from drug dealers and Damon had a house on the beach Vito could stay at and hide out.

This drug dealer (who is named Mario in the book) is a main character in the book and Vito’s life from what it seems. You also learn that the reason Vito and Damon have a falling out (prompting Vito to move out of the beach house) is because Damon admits he might have let it slip out that Damon was staying with him and it got back to Mario. Mario is someone I’d love to talk about since the book states instead of coming to confront Vito once he knows where he is, he runs to Florida (they all run to Florida, don’t they?) But I don’t want to get to far off topic.

Bottom line, even though Brewer is mentioned late in the book, the book’s author definitely wants the reader to question Brewers involvement in all this. And it does seem most of it is put into the book as an afterthought. In other words the book was intended to be about Vito’s life which didn’t have much to do with Brewer, Oak Beach, or LISK. Then after what happened there (bodies found), the thought of what went on in Brewer’s beach house was questioned and brought up. There are talks of parties at the beach house and other questionable goings on there, just not part of the main story line. In fact Vito doesn’t write about anything special going on at the beach house in the chapter about him being there. he does though hint at things in the epilogue. But it is clear that drugs were a big part of Vito’s (Drifter) and  Damon’s (Brewer) life. Well that and the fact that “professional entertainment” was also a big part of it. The Drifter says all of this in his epilogue and even Brewer himself seems to admit it.

If you think about Brewer’s strange discussion of transsexuals with Shannan, Brewer is said to have said Shannan asked if he runs into transsexuals a lot. Implying to me at least that they discussed Brewer using a lot of hired “help”. I know that’s a lot of hearsay and he said she said, but sometimes that’s all we got in all of this to go by.

All I’m saying is both The Drifter and Brewer seem to admit that other call girls have been brought to that beach house and drug parties were definitely part of the scene.

All of this seems to me say that Joseph Brewer can not and should not be ruled out as a suspect, definitely he is still a POI!

The thing that really bothers me about all this, is the Drifter says he has never been questioned or approached by LE. That may have changed, but according to the last I read on it, the Drifter had yet to be questioned about any of this. According to the book he moved to Florida (like his dealer he once hid from in Oak Beach). Why wouldn’t LE want to question things written about in this book? From the tales of prostitutes and drugs to the main story of this bad guy called “Mario” who may have had reason to visit the beach house in Oak Beach.

Why wouldn’t police want to check out ALL stories surrounding Brewer and that house?

We’ll get to that question at the end of this post. We’ll have more facts to go on by then, I’m sure. But for now we have to head straight into rumor and internet speculations…

James Bissett III:

Bringing up this name generally gets 2 ideas from people.

A. Bissett is LISK, but for some reason LE does not want to go public with this information.

or

B. Bissett was going to be used as a scape goat by LE, but for some reason they couldn’t get it to stick.

Both ideas seem unlikely to me and I’ll get to my reasoning why, but as I said, when Bissett’s name is mentioned, these are the 2 most talked about ideas revolving around him.

For those who don’t know who Bissett is, he is an aquarium owner in Long Island who was found in what police called an apparent suicide not long after Shannan’s body was found.

When I first heard about Bissett I was told the whole thing was made up by Dorothy. (Dorothy actually says police killed Bissett and covered it up) Then it was hinted that Jen actually helped make the rumor of James Bissett so prominent on the internet. But the more I brought the name up, the more I started hearing a common thread. Quite a few people say that they heard from a LE friend that Bisssett was a strong suspect. I’ve been told it and I have read it, people with friends in LE claim they heard Bissett was indeed connected to LISK in some way.

So is Bissett just a rumor that the internet made larger than life, or is there something there about LE knowing more about the apparent suicide then they have let out.

The whole thing found its way into news articles:

http://archive.longislandpress.com/2012/12/16/gilgo-victims-families-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

Though most was discussed in comments like it is here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/suffolk-ny/TB5223F0NEOB01FV0/p18

There as well as other places you will find comments like these:

bissett comment

Oh those anonymous commenters.

It got so out of control that LE decided to issue a press release on the subject:

Investigators issue press release on Gilgo Internet rumors

(05/08/12) WOODBURY – Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota and the Suffolk County Police Department issued a statement this afternoon in regard to recent rumors involving a possible suspect in the Gilgo Beach murders.

The statement reads as follows:

During the past few weeks we have received hundreds of questions from members of the media about the accuracy of rumors represented on various websites regarding the solving of what is commonly referred to by the media as the Gilgo Beach murder case.

The solving of these murders has been, and will remain, a top priority for the Suffolk County Police Department and the Suffolk County District Attorney’s office. All necessary law enforcement resources are being devoted to solving this case.

As with any active investigation, the Suffolk County Police Department and the district attorney’s office should not and will not comment on who may or may not be a suspect.

Additionally, as far as updates on this investigation are concerned, neither agency will comment further at this time until we have some additional information pertaining to the investigation that serves the public or the investigation by its release.

Unfounded, anonymous internet postings or rumors about who may be a suspect should be given the appropriate weight they deserve by those who read them. It should be remembered that this type of unsubstantiated “gossip” can cause substantial harm and emotional trauma, not only to the members of the families mentioned on the internet postings, but also to the families of the victims.

While we are confident that this long, complicated, difficult investigation will eventually be brought to a successful conclusion, it will be the facts and evidence that will lead us to this conclusion and not internet rumors. “

Bissett isn’t mentioned in the statement, but from all I’ve seen it was posted because of all the rumors surrounding Bissett.

I’m still not sure what if anything Bissett’s death has to do with LISK, all I’m saying is to this day it is still discussed as if there is some kind of connection there.  Although I find it hard to see real connections. If LE had some legitimate information on Bissett’s involvement, it would have been looked into and something more would have been made public. And if LE wanted to pin it on Bissett (Dorothy’s idea that Bissett was a fall guy), then why didn’t they?

So unless there is some reason to believe LE had some reason to not solve the LISK case a Bissett connection seems very unlikely. Is there some reason? Will get there, not yet though… we have another JB that definitely seems to fit in to all this somehow…

John Bittrolff:

Now here’s a JB that actually seems to be leading somewhere. In fact he even has his own wiki article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bittrolff

I’m not going to say too much about Bittrolff (waiting and hoping something will come out of his arrest though) but it was quite the story how LE actually caught their suspect:

http://pix11.com/2014/07/22/manorville-man-arrested-in-two-cold-case-murders-of-women-police/

Like an episode of CSI right there. Did you read the comments? Did you see Nan Nan? I keep telling everyone how important comments are.

Alright, so LE may have their guy when it comes to at least 2 murders. Is he connected to the 3rd as LE believes? Maybe even connected to the GB4 or the many other bodies found along Long Island beaches and highways. Not according to LE, but as you may already realized, this post is getting to why maybe what has been said by LE is not to be accepted as facts without question any longer (which some have said all along).

Before we finally get to the JB that brings all of that into question I want to leave this JB with a couple of  rumors, that if true make Bittrolff seem more involved than LE has said.

First is the connection between one of Bittrolff’s believed victims and one of LISK’s known victims. Many probably have heard about an online comment posted by a young woman named Amanda Beinlich several years ago. Turns out her mother, Rita Tangredi, was one of Bittrolff’s alleged victims in 1993. Her best friend was Melissa Barthelemy, the first woman discovered in burlap on Gilgo Beach in December 2010.

Here’s an article I found it mentioned in:

http://pix11.com/2015/03/17/from-gilgo-beach-to-atlantic-city-a-serial-killer-by-the-sea/

It is also mentioned in this thread:

http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?13491-L-I-S-K/page8

I actually first read of it on Websleuths, but you know I’m not allowed to post their stuff here. LOL.

It’s things like this that make me scratch my head. Is this just another internet feed rumor or was Rita Tangredi the mother of Melissa Barthelemy’s best friend?

Everything I have read about such a connection comes from a comment supposedly left on the internet by Amanda Beinlich. I have yet to come across anything to substantiate any of it.

Can’t police or FBI look into this Amanda and see first if she’s real and then second, if what she wrote in that comment is true? Why wouldn’t a reporter go chasing this story? Wouldn’t an interview with Amanda Beinlich be a good catch? There are far too many stories in all of this that seem to be easily corrected as false or sought out for possible important information. And yet none of it is.

Would you believe I even heard a rumor that Bittrolff worked on at least one property at Oak Beach and knew at least some one there? It’s true. Someone has placed Bittrolff in Oak Beach and has said he knew people there.

If any of this stuff is true and if Bittrolff is found to have murdered Colleen McNamee and Rita Tangredi, then how can he be so easily dismissed as a LISK suspect?

There has been lots of talk about corruption in LE where the LISK case is involved. There’s also been talk that LE is holding back information not wanting some things leaked and therefore jeopardizing the case. So has LE of Suffolk County been misleading the public about the LISK case? That answer seems to have been answered to some degree. From the beginning I saw reason to believe both LE might be keeping things close not wanting to give out too much of what they might know as well as the fact something seemed dirty. Something was just not right. We all know now that leads right to another JB, maybe the most important one…

James Burke:

The first time seeing this name was in the early emails I got from Dorothy Price Hill. Being on the west coast I did not know who he was.  That quickly changed. Following Dorothy over the internet the past few years I saw several anti Burke comments, “I Hate Burke” sites on social media, etc. James Burke was Suffolk County’s chief of police and not liked very much. I say was, because as anyone who reads here should already know, Burke resigned:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-police-chief-james-burke-resigns-amid-continuing-federal-probe-1.11016791

Although this happened only recently, when it comes to LISK discussions, it’s been a hot topic for a while.

Not long after Dorothy started bringing up Burke to me, someone told me about a guy named Pete who they believed Dorothy was getting her information on Burke from. Well I knew of this Pete guy, Dorothy mentioned him quite a bit, I believe she said he was a cop.

After finally going to Websleuths I saw some of the things Pete had to say on Burke. I also saw a lot on Burke from a commenter named hawksaw. In fact with the latest news on Burke (we are getting there finally) hawksaw has been commenting quite a bit about the ex chief of police. I hope I don’t get in trouble for mentioning this, I know how it’s not allowed to post things from Websleuths in other places (and if I didn’t know, Jen went out of her way to point this out to me), but all I’m saying about it is both Pete and hawksaw seemed to have good information and good insight because the things they have said are finally coming to light.

Again, being from the west coast, it was not easy understanding a straight connection from Burke to LISK though, and really it was only Dorothy going so far as to directly connect him. Saying Burke knew both Brewer and her ex husband. but she also said I knew Brewer and her ex husband, and I knew that was crazy talk, so it was hard to take anything about Burke seriously.

Still, I saw others talking about him and some people sent me links on him and there seemed to be a story about someone stealing a porno/sex tape out of Burke’s car. I even saw where the tape was said to have had one of the LISK victims on it. That definitely would link Burke to the case directly. But I saw this in a Dorothy emails and comments, not sure if I saw any one else mention it other than her at first, plus when I was reading all these things and trying to understand them I came across this:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-police-report-as-sergeant-chief-james-burke-twice-lost-gun-1.6283153

Was there a sex tape? Or was is about a stolen gun? I really didn’t know what to make about all the things being said about Burke. But more and more came out over the last few years and finally the damn broke:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/james-burke-former-suffolk-police-chief-of-department-arrested-1.11208592

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/police-chief-beat-junkie-who-stole-his-porn-sex-toys-court-papers/

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/suffolk-police-chief-arrested-alleged-assault-article-1.2460203

So there was a tape and sex toys? Yes, all the rumors were now being confirmed. And as Linda said, more was coming:

http://pix11.com/2015/12/10/fbi-to-have-enhanced-role-in-long-unsolved-gilgo-murders-potential-witness-asks-what-took-so-long/

Burke arrested and the FBI are finally involved in the LISK case? And then:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/james-burke-ex-suffolk-police-chief-denied-bail-friday-1.11217569

And then:

http://nypost.com/2015/12/12/busted-ex-police-chief-blocked-fbi-probe-of-gilgo-beach-murders/

Wow, that all came down fast. Leaving some to wonder once again, is there a connection between Burke and the LISK. Did Burke for some reason not want the case solved? Well at the very least, FBI is saying Burke kept them out the case. Most likely because he didn’t want them to have access to his dirty laundry. But as I finish up this post I can’t help but wonder what this can of worms is gonna bring to light. I mean sex tapes and beating up hand cuffed junkies. It seems like a lot on all sides of this. And there is sure to be a lot more to come out.

No matter where it all leads at least the FBI are taking a close look at the LISK case and will be looking at all the JBs and everything else needed to get the answers wanted by so many.

 

 

 

And The Beat Goes On…

As I said in comments, I spoke with Murt on the Tweeter the other night. He has a new blog about him and I don’t think he likes it very much.

http://thetruecrimeass.hol.es/

Since I  have followed the whole Murt/Michelle/Radionewz saga, I have my own guess who’s behind the new blog. But for now I’m just observing.

For those who haven’t yet seen just how much Murt’s story merges with LISK stuff and the liars and gamers involved there, let me refresh your memory.

We first heard of Murt (well at least I did) when MM7 brought him up in connection to her so-called “DRONE” event:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/?s=murt

Now to see how they actually got together you need to look at a tweet:

CK drone tweet

This may be hard to follow, but I have faith in my readers.

I had a couple long talks on the phone with MM7, and we discussed this subject in the last one. MM7 does not see that making this Tweet is what brought Murt to the LISK table. But anyone in the know about Murt knows he and Michelle McKee have been playing the old back-n-forth with each other for years.

And if you take Murts explanation for how he learned of the “Drone”, he says an anon friend brought it up to him and told him of MM7’s blog and trouble with a “Drone”… well it all fits…

MM7 made an inquiery to Michelle, Michelle then got Murt involved in hopes of confusing the whole matter and screwing with Murt.

Again, though, in my conversations with MM7, she dosen’t see it that way, or at least wouldn’t admit it happened that way. No, she insists that her telling Michelle about the “Drone” in a Tweet and then Murt coming to her (MM7) blog to give his 2 cents on the toy were not connected. According to MM7, Murt came to her site on his own free will because he was connected to all this in some way. This is one of the many reasons I had a hard time trusting or believing MM7. Murt was not involved in this. Say what you want about Murt, and people do, as I mentioned he has numerous blogs against him, and most who come to his aid, usually wash their hands of him at some point, but he was coaxed into the LISK stuff and called a stalker, but in this case it was all a set up. And for all I know they were all in on it. There was no Drone Stalker, MM7 has since admitted to me, that the toy probably belonged to a friend of her husband (or is it ex husband now, following Dorothy and Nancy’s footsteps there) who was living in their guest house at the time. Funny this was never mentioned anywhere at the time “Drone Gate” was going on. But even if Murt was duped into getting involved, he only has himself to blame. Because he is out there searching for the drama. He claims he doesn’t understand why so many “stalk and defame” him (sound familiar?) as he steps straight into each fire!  He should have seen the Drone mention for what it was… bait. And he might have and just didn’t care. Either way, he contacted MM7 to tell her what he thought the “Drone” might be. Which got him named as Cristin’s stalker.

I can’t spend too much time explaining this, because this post is gonna be a long one and I’ve covered most of this before, so hopefully those of you paying attention get it… those who don’t, start all over read ALL the blogs involved… you’ll see what I see.

So this led to all sorts of worlds colliding and had me wondering, just how did MM7 know Michelle McKay. Now I’m learning most everyone involved here was on Websleuths at one time, that may be the connection… Websleuths has lots of cases profiled on the site and there was a cross over from Florida cases like the Haleigh Cummings case and the Casey Anthony case to the LISK case.

Again, no time to get to into this, but if you read at ALL these places, and I have, you see the connections (yes, real connections Dorothy, not made up ones).

The thought that there was more going on here became stronger to me when Flukeyou was a guest writer on Radionewz, a satire news blog site (one that gave me the idea for my blog Vegas Confidential) that had a beef with Murt. Here’s Flukes post:

http://radionewz.net/2013/05/has-murtwitnessone-been-outed-as-being-in-a-sex-trafficking-ring/comment-page-1/

Is that Fluke?

Well Murt jumped right on in without even knowing what he was jumping into:

http://murtwitnessonelive.wordpress.com/?s=drone

I wrote about it as it actually happened, and pretty much called it all out as one big charade and it all went NOWHERE!

Well it did go one place.

The Shannan blog:

http://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/

For long time readers, you will remember that many thought this blog was done by MM7. And because I mentioned this, all hell broke loose and in my opinion, back peddling started right up. Again all because my questions were just too much for those trying to keep up with all their lies.

Now Mari Gilbert got involved at this point, and I am not gonna point any fingers or try to explain what really happened, but I’ll put it all out there, and as usual, you can decide.

The blog had a poll on it for you to vote who you thought had killed Shannan, and some of us questioned those on that list. Mainly the inclusion of Fieldnotes, someone who once was friends with Mari and was part of that whole group who came to her and wanted to help. The whole poll seemed spiteful rather than helpful.

Read the comments here for a better explanation of what happened:

http://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/who-killed-shannan-maria-gilbert-2/

But here is the comment that cleared up the mystery of who ran the page:

mari blog

So the blog is not ran by Cristin, but it was ran by a Kristine and then Mari took it over. At least that’s the explanation Mari gave.

Cristin told me a much different story. She told me Mari was behind the blog from the get go, but didn’t want others to know it was her, so when the questions of who ran the blog came up, Mari said that she (Mari) just took it over from someone. Cristin also admited to helping Mari with the blog.

I made this all public and it pissed people off. They thought I was calling out Mari, but I was really calling out Cristin. I don’t question Mari’s actions, but I don’t like that Mari was listening to Cristin (and others) and they were steering Mari into wrong places. To show what I mean, look at the last post made on that blog:

http://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/murt-many-names-many-agendas/

Who started this blog? Kristine, Cristin, Mari? I don’t know, but Mari made it clear she was in control of it now. So did Mari lie? Did Cristin Lie? I tend to believe that Mari did not start this blog just as she said or at least did not do it alone, and unless a Kristine wants to step up and claim it, I see Cristin in there somewhere. Until the other day Murt did as well:

murt

Yes, Murt believes Cristin is behind the blog… my point in bringing it all back up… people are confused here and they like it that way!

They are all content with the game, they like the attention it brings. But as we have all seen, people are being hurt by all this confusion… anyone else keeping up on Nancy? I really hope someone helps her soon, get’s her checked into a hospital and then go after Dorothy legally for her part in Nancy’s demise.

My reasoning for believing Mari about not creating this blog (or at least given help on it) is mainly because the blog has stopped since Mari claims to have taken it over. I don’t think she planned the blog or knows how to continue it… this is my opinion based on what I have seen and read… as usual.

Why do they all like the confusion they are caught up in? Why won’t they all see common sense? Everyone has their own reasons I’m sure, but mainly its to feed those chemicals in the brain. Some just can’t see the truth because it will cut them out of the game.

Others know all to well what they are doing…

You reading, Joey? I hope so. How ’bout you Jimmy?

Enough with the “same old same old”, let’s get to some new stuff…

I keep going over all the ways Joey followers and Dorothy enablers are wrong in their conclusions about these 2 people. I don’t see why others don’t see it. I don’t have special powers, I just looked into it all and saw what I saw. And yet there are still those out there who want to tell me I am the one who is wrong. The latest comes from some comments left on my LISK blog by Jimmy:

jimmy1

jimmy2

I already addressed these in comments (click “HERE” to read the comments), but I want to bring them up here, because I’m just amazed that anyone would still stick up for Fluke after all that has been shown. But hey Dorothy has lots of Facebook “Friends” and Bill W.’s followers would believe he walked on water if he said it was so, meanwhile you are all being played. Yes, even you Jimmy, who ever you are. If you for one minute think Joey/Flukeyou’s intentions are good or believe any of his crap he has lied about (most of his lies have already been shown for what they are, give it time and it will all be seen as lies, please come back and show me anything that Joey says or has said that ever comes to anything but a lie, there did I say the word LIE enough, those who have told them will be held accountable, at least here, and we all know I ain’t going nowhere) then you are a fool. Sorry Jimmy, I can’t put it any other way. Well that’s not true. You could also be a liar, (is pretender a better word?)  just trying to get me going on Fluke again… Yea, I know that game.

So… the beat goes on, and we all know, I’m always ready to dance.

 

Being Sued By A Not So Mystery Mom

A few times this week I have woke up to emails from Mysterymom7 threatening to sue me. If you don’t know who Mysterymom7 is, she was the author of a blog called “Catching LISK”. In this blog, among other things she claimed she was being stalked by Dr. Hackett. If you don’t know who Dr. Hackett is, he is a POI (person of interest) in the Long Island Serial Killer case. In 2010 a girl named Shannan Gilbert went missing in a Long Island neighborhood and was later found dead in the marsh nearby. But not before many other bodies were found. It is a sad and strange case and if you don’t know the story I highly recommend you check out one of the 48 hours on the subject:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-long-island-serial-killer-50126790/

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/long-island-serial-killer

You can also check out my 3 part blog I wrote on the Red & Black when I first came across Mysterymom7’s blog: http://zeroprophetblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/catfish-serial-killers-part-1/

Dr. Hackett is being sued by Shannan’s mom for wrongful death.  There are questions of whether he saw Shannan the night she disappeared . I shouldn’t have to tell you that if you watched the 48 hour stuff.

So as you see in my link to my other blog, I saw Mysterymom7’s blog and thought, wow, something is going on here, is she really being stalked. And if so is this guy a serial killer. According to her blog he was.  Mysterymom7 had many posts showing why she was SO sure that not only was he a serial killer but stalking her because of all the info she was finding on him to link him to all sorts of criminal activities.

I started my own blog about her blog as well as the Longislandserialkiller.com site where most of this really started. after a lot of reading of comments and posts and quite a few posts of my own in my blog, I came to the conclusion that I just didn’t buy her blog. I thought the whole thing was probably a fake. I don’t believe any one was stalking her. I don’t believe in her stories of drones, or phony phone calls. I think it all was a game. And I’d tell you to go read it for yourself and decide for yourself, but she took the blog down once more and more people started calling it a hoax.

There’s actually a lot more to it and I’d tell you to go to my LISK blog (link on side under “My Stuff”) but today I decided to temporarily take it down. Why? Well that brings us back to my email threats. Seems the Mystery Mom who had a blog where she called people killers, stalkers, and other criminal activities is now suing me for some reason I still don’t understand. Here is her latest email threatening to sue me:

It took me 2 hours to find out your real name once I decided I was going to sue you. I had never bothered to look into you, your family, your work, your children, or anything about you until you left me no other choice. I didn’t get any info from anyone else. Since I have your real name and address, it will take a lot less time to bring a lawsuit to court. I don’t have to jump through any hoops.

You know your information could be twisted far worse than mine, and would be in the wrong hands. Sit with that feeling (and add (name withheld for now) into that feeling) like I have for the past year. You have no connection to the LISK case other than curiosity. The same as myself. You’re still sitting with your anonymity online. I’m not. You have the power to stop the name dropping, but you’re making the choice to keep it going for your own entertainment. I’m not a victim. I’m an innocent bystander that jumped in to try to help and you’re allowing to be attached to this case in a way that is false and damaging.

So first off, you wrote a name in your email that I left out of this post, but I’m not sure who or what is ment by it. I know a few people with that name so please be more specific in who you are referring to MM7. And what do you mean by “and add that person into that feeling” I’m very curious about what this means.

Ok Mysterymom7, you want to email me threats and look into my personal life and what ever else because you feel I have wronged you because I did not believe in you fairy tale blog, do I have this correct?

As childish as I think you are being, I’m willing to hear what your lawyer thinks is illegal about my LISK blog or what it is you feel you can sue me over.  I’ve even taken the blog down so in case there is something that needs to be removed it will be done before the blog returns.

How long do you need for you lawyer to contact me? You now have my name, phone number, and address I believe (scary).  So I say a week is good, yes?

I will leave the blog down for a week so you can see your lawyer and have them contact me.