Onions And Rabbit Holes (The Last Post On LISK)

I have said many, many times, this is not a LISK blog. I started this blog to write about other things. Even my LISK Blog was not done to focus on the case or try to solve it in any way. It was about those who I found online who connected themselves to the case and seemed to make some sort of game out of the whole thing. I’ve blogged about this many times, trying to explain how it felt to be sucked into what  I called a rabbit hole. Even though I tried to keep that blog focused on the rabbit hole and not the actual case, I learned early on that wasn’t possible. In fact if my blogs bring any light to the LISK case, it’s how connected the rabbit hole has become to the actual case. I have called the LISK case an onion with many strange layers. I couldn’t write about my experience going down that rabbit hole without also discussing some of those layers.  And as I have said many times, the fact that the rabbit hole is so much a part of the onion now, it’s become almost impossible to separate the 2 and get to helpful information. I’ve tried.

To give an example let’s go back to last year when John Ray shocked everyone with a news conference where his then new client spoke of “sex parties” with the Ex Police chief James Burke. I haven’t blogged much about John Ray, but I think everyone who reads here knows how I feel about him. I have heard from those who don’t like him and say he has destroyed this case looking for the payoff at the end and those who do like him and say he is doing this because he really cares and wants to get answers for the victim’s families. I don’t know which is true… but I have come to my own opinion that John Ray is one of the main people over the years to help bridge that connection between onion and rabbit hole. All I have to do is take a look at the list of people who have been in contact with John Ray over the years, many of them “helping” Mr. Ray with his pursuit for truth or payoff:

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Should I go on… I think you all get this already.

So back when this news conference hit I, like many others, was skeptical. And it turns out we were all correct in our skepticism. Because while many were deciding what to believe of the stories of Burke and this girl John Ray had set into the spot light, everyone learned there was much more to the story, and that in fact the conference was a little misleading. OK, a lot misleading. Yes, this new layer Ray was trying to show in the onion quickly became part of the never-ending free fall down that rabbit hole. The first sign of this was in the conference itself, which seemed to be done mainly to connect James Burke to Dr. Hackett and the LISK case. But then there was mention from “Leanne” (name used for woman in conference with John Ray) of another person that she had actually called in a tip on being LISK. When asked more about this, John Ray concluded it wasn’t important nor the reason for the conference. What? When you sort the whole conference out, it seems, “Leanne” had called in a tip on someone she thought could be the LISK and then the person she called in the tip on was contacted by LE and told about the tip she made about him. Fucked up right? Well, that’s not exactly what happened, but at the time I didn’t know that, so let’s wait before dissecting it too much. Point is this tip is how John Ray learned of “Leanne” and her claims, it’s what would eventually bring her to becoming his client and you would think the reason for the conference. But John Ray said at the time, it wasn’t important. Why? Well, my opinion at the time (which hasn’t changed even though I now know much more about all of it then I did then) was that John Ray was more concerned with how Burke connected to the story, even though Burke is not the one “Leanne” believed was LISK because Burke was big news at the time. And Burke being linked to LISK was not anything new. We all know it was something being said for a while, so it fit the storyline John Ray was more interested in. Plus, if Burke could be connected to Hackett through “Leanne’s” stories that would definitely benefit John Ray and his ongoing case with Doctor Hackett.

I wanted to write about this last year. But even though I pieced it together very quickly, I didn’t feel right making it part of this blog. You’ve all heard me say this before, but let me explain fuller.

Right after the conference, someone came to me asking if I knew what the initials L.H. had to do with the LISK case. At the time I couldn’t think of any and asked why. I was told that someone had contacted them telling them MCME was someone in the LISK case with the initials L.H.

Interesting.

I looked at anyone I could think of with the initials L.H. but could ony come up with 1. someone connected to DPH, but it wasn’t really LISK related, so I didn’t think it was right.

While I was trying to figure it out, quite a bit happened. Websleuths and LISK Facebook groups were buzzing with comments and discussions that many believed included John Ray’s newest client, “Leanne”. There was discussion that “Leanne” was telling her “real” story to some. And there were definitely places where I saw that someone was definitely dropping clues of who the person was “Leanne” gave the original tip on. A Babylon attorney was one of these such clues and that sparked something. I had looked up an attorney in Babylon with the initials L.H.

Sure enough, the person who had asked me about the initials L.H. had been talking to “Leanne”. At this point they already knew it and confirmed it to me. But I knew it was. And I knew who L.H. was. I knew, because for a while at that time I had been following comments being left by someone calling themselves Plottmaster (as well as other versions of this screen name):

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There are lots more out there, but it all circles around the same names, and one of those names… Lindsay Henry… L.H.

Again, while I was piecing this together it was also coming out in social media. We all know this is where Jerry rose his ugly head. He started a Facebook group that a few of you joined and well we all know what happened. “Leanne” confirms some things to Jerry and he runs with it. Who was one of the first people Jerry contacts… me. And I never even spoke to the guy at this point. But he was told to trust me, which is good advice if you aren’t an internet nut spreading the disease, and we all know Jerry was just that. Part troll, part stalker, all asshole.

I quickly called him out (Do I get that credit? While most of you were opening up to the little creep I was putting him in his place) and shot him down. Which we all know led to some crazy shit and some seriously fun reading. Let’s just put it out there, Jerry then ran to a FB page ran by Kim West (‘member her) where along with Kim’s friend Dorothy Price Hill and a few others who no longer like me mentioning them here, got together and came at me. Why? Because I was the one to see through Jerry and know his ongoing actions were not only bad for the LISK case, but may be dangerous for some of the women he was approaching.

This eventually got me a private message from “Leanne” herself. She was curious about who I was, and I believe some people told her that I was getting ready to write a post about all of it and that I might not be to kind to her. I told her truthfully that I was probably not gonna post about it. Even though I knew at the time it would get me shit tons of views and comments. I explained to her that I felt that she shouldn’t be sharing her story with the internet. I also explained if I was gonna post about it, it would have been done already, because I had the story for a while at that point. Jerry had written me quite a bit before I told him to piss off. But before “Leanne” told me her story, before Jerry told me what he knew, I had already heard all about it. It get’s tricky here, but I have told all of you in private and in public, EVERYONE talks to EVERYONE! “Leanne” thought she was being carefull with who she spoke to. And yet each of them came to me and told me what she was saying, I mean Jerry didn’t even know me, but he was sent to me and he spilled it all unknowingly that I already knew more than he.  And by the time “Leanne” came to me I already had it all.

But it was great to hear it all straight from her. And unlike Jerry, I wasn’t trying to force anything or get anyone to give me any of this info. In fact I told “Leanne” many times I didn’t want to know about specifics when it came to L.H and the parties. I felt it was info for L.E. and F.B.I.

I don’t need to rehash most of this, if you have been reading, you know how it went down. But I just want to make one point, it was “Leanne” who finally got rid of Jerry. And we can all be thankful for that. Yes, it was “Leanne” who gave Jerry a lot of the things he knew, but let’s face it, a few of you gals out there bought into the Jerry game and gave him things to use, and I’m not just talking about LISK stuff, that guy knew personal stuff about a few of you. Shit he got a ton of shit on me, thanks by the way. “Leanne” got the jerk yanked off social media. So yes, we can all be thankful for that. The guy was bad news.

This is side tracking as most of my posts do. I spent enough time on the likes of Jerry so let’s move on. “Leanne” and I spoke quite a bit, and again, if I was to just make a post about our conversations, I know it would be a quite a big way to end this blog and get all sorts of views… but as I told “Leanne” back when we first started talking, even though this blog seems like a narcissistic voyage at everyone’s expense, that’s not really what it was about. And I have kept quiet about most of this. Yes, there is bits ‘n pieces scattered but I did not put it “ALL” out there, despite the fact that it would have helped the ZW Blog get even more readers. I felt all along that info on L.H. from “Leanne” should be kept off social media and the internet. But as we all know, this was a year ago, and it was not kept off social media and the internet. And before we go on I have to examine this a little further.

It would be easy to say “Leanne” is responsible for it all getting out there and in return mucked up with the rest of the stories and theories. Others might blame John Ray, with good reason, thinking maybe it is him getting so many to keep the internet side-show going. I can’t pass judgement on this. Yes, I spoke out loud and clear that I thought it should all be left off the internet, but let’s face it, there is good reason not to trust the usual course of action. So it’s not up to me to decide how “Leanne” or John Ray go about getting their info out there. Still to me, it just seems all sides are not handling it right. But that’s “to me” and since I’m not really involved, what does that matter?

Still, I’m trying to show something here… I know it’s taking way to long, but stay with me, we will get there. First though I have to clear a few things up. As I said, I have spoken to “Leanne” quite a bit, and therefore I know about some of the things that have been thrown out there and discussed on social media by many of you. I’ve kept quiet, but let’s face it, a year has gone by and most of it all has been out there already. In fact I read on Websleuths Susie Mockingbird commenting about L.H. admitting to killing people. This did kind of upset me when I read it… I have kept quiet about so much of this, and again my reasons for not blogging about all this was I felt it needed to be properly investigated before being made part of the internet, and yet here is big mouth Susie Sampeirre putting her 2 cents in about the L.H. admission to murder.

So let’s get it out there, because I too know the story… shoot, by now who doesn’t? L.H. supposedly admitted to “Leanne” to killing 2 men. This is the main reason “Leanne” decided that L.H. might be LISK and why she called in her tip. One of these guys supposedly was  killed from L.H. hitting him and killing the guy. The problem is I’ve heard audio of “Leanne” and L.H. discussing this and he denies ever saying such things to her. In fact even if he admitted saying them, he could just say he was lying at the time. maybe he was just trying to impress her. Not to mention, killing to men over jealousy or self-defense (which the stories suggest) does not lead to a serial killer or LISK. Still, if the stories are true, they could be checked out, right? And I know he’s been being looked into for a year now… so did anything come from the stories of murdering 2 men? The story of how he killed the other man was he threw him off a roof  in Greece, if I remember right… and there are other things that could lead the proper authorities to figuring out if L.H. killed 2 men as it is said that he has said. It doesn’t have to be a mystery or a case of he said she said… someone could look into it. So I’m guessing someone has. So maybe someone should clue the rest of us in on what is real there… let’s not hold our breaths though.

Have I lost everyone completely? Do you not know if I believe “Leanne” and think L.H. could be LISK or if I think it’s another LISK game being played out by lunatics? Good. Because it shouldn’t matter what I think. If I believe “Leanne” does that make her right? If I think she is crazy does that make her wrong? Get me?

One last thing though and I have to make this public and crystal clear. In the original news conference it was made to sound like “Leanne” called in a tip in L.H. and then someone in L.E. let L.H. know she had called in a tip on him accusing him of being LISK. As I said before, that would be so fucked up, and more proof that L.I. L.E. (Long Island Law Enforcement) is corrupt as all hell. But that’s not exactly what happened. “Leanne” did call a detective involved in the LISK case and told him she believed L.H. was LISK.

Then you know what “Leanne” did? She called L.H. and told him that she just got off the phone with a detective (gave L.H. the detective’s name and phone number)  and that she told the detective she thought he was LISK. Weird, right?  Well then L.H. calls the detective and the detective confirms it all to L.H. Man, if I was this detective I would think that both of them were fucking with me. So then L.H. and “Leanne” talk again and L.H. tells her he talked to the detective, which I would expect “Leanne” would have expected to happen, since she gave L.H. the detective’s number. But I guess she wasn’t expecting the detective to confirm it to him. “Leanne” then calls up the detective and wants to know why he would tell L.H. she called him. The detective is dumbfounded and tells her, “you gave him my number, you told him you said he was LISK”. I’ve actually heard this conversation, the whole thing baffles me. Again, from someone on the outside it seems like all 3 are playing some kind of game.  “Leanne”, the detective, L.H., none of their actions add up to me. They all seem to keep the circle going instead of getting to the truth or something that can help, it’s more about pointing fingers at each other. The same thing I’ve seen again and again. But this is all what I got out of it, and again shouldn’t mean anything.  Maybe I’m misunderstanding something. Listen for yourself:

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I will say this… L.H. is bad news. There are lots more about this guy besides the maybe confessions of killing 2 men. And L.H. was sleeping with “Leanne” while in exchange acting as her lawyer. Not very respectable for an attorney. So maybe there is truth to stories of L.H. and Burke involved in sex parties with “working girls”. Sounds very likely to me. And then maybe Doc Hackett does actually have a place in all this, because “Leanne” says Hackett supplied L.H. with Fentanyl patches. Yes, there does seem to be substantial stuff there. Which is why I felt it should be left off the internet and dealt with by the FBI.

But it wasn’t and it became part of the rabbit hole.  Not only that but it brought new players to the board. “Leanne” had a friend who you all know as Jenny Salazar who flew in like a banshee. Creating all sorts of unnecessary havoc. Lighting the way for a bunch of troll like FB accounts to join in for a short while. Which led me right to a guy calling himself Ken Jones.  This guy claims to be a hit man of some sort. And I should also point out that all 3 of them, “Leanne”, Jenny, and Ken talk about each other being crazy or mentally ill in someway, in fact I believe they all met on FB sites for different mental illnesses. This Ken guy (whose real name is Malik Boodie) even threatened to kill me.

So yes, L.H. seems dirty, and yes he was “Leanne’s” attorney. Also, John Ray seems sketchy and this is now “Leanne’s” attorney. Which is it? Onion or rabbit hole. And does it even matter? Because as I said, both are part of each other now.

You see I didn’t just choose to tell all of this to show how John Ray blurs the lines, no one needs me to tell them about John Ray. Nor is this one more example of how those using the internet in some kind of game, for what ever reasons, has  messed with the LISK case. I’ve shown that more than enough. I could say I believe “Leanne”, I could say she’s crazy, or I could say she has an axe to grind with L.H. Hell, I could say maybe it’s a little of all 3. Why would that matter? And what if John Ray did use her and that conference to tell his narrative? Should it not be looked into?

Here’s where I want to leave this, and what I’m trying to get at… the LISK case and many like it all suffer from L.E. not taking them seriously from the beginning. And that’s really a society thing. “Prostitutes”, “drug addicts”, and others deemed “less than” are not priorities.

I’m trying to put into words what I’m trying to say… we all know How this scenario works, if someone deems a missing person not important because of their lifestyle (I know that’s a bullshit thing to say, I’m speaking from an asshole’s point of view, in truth it’s not lifestyle we are talking about, it is troubled lives, even more reason to be taken seriously) and things are not investigated properly, later when a body is discovered or worse bodies, it’s too late. From the beginning all missing and murder cases should be treated the same. That’s how I feel and I bet most of you would agree with me. Stop treating the lost and troubled as throw a ways.

In the same vain, all tips and evidence should be looked at. It doesn’t mater what I or anyone else thinks about what “Leanne” said, if there is something or someone there to be looked at, it should be. And there is lots to look into when it comes to L.H.

“Leanne” has reasons to think L.H. is LISK. Some have reasons why they think Hackett is LISK. And the same goes for Burke, Bittrolff, Brewer, and a list of others. It doesn’t matter what any of us think about any of it. It should all be looked at. Hell, even DPH’s ex husbands should be looked at just to see if anything she says is true.

And that’s where I’m gonna have to leave it. I do hope one day the LISK case is solved. . Suffolk County deserves to know if it’s law enforcement and leaders are some kind of evil entity or not. And more importantly the families of the victims deserve answers and some kind of peace.

Cherry Picking Comments

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I notice he only posts comments from other people“. No fucking shit! It’s my blog, get your own blog if you want to post my comments. Yes I cherry pick the stuff that shows what I am trying to show. But they aren’t lies, they are things people really said. Still, if I have to show more to explain exactly how truthful this place can be, I can do that:

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This comment left today by Maureen has got to be some of the most crap anyone has ever tried to shovel into one comment here. I didn’t cherry pick it. I waited for it to fit with some other comments I have cherry picked though. Yes, I had been waiting to address this subject ever since Patty and Maureen first brought it up in Kim’s group. But I was patient and Maureen wrote this masterpiece to frame it around. But not to twist it… oh no… we are gonna untwist this comment.

First though, here I am zero. There are so few rules here, but that is one, so please if you plan on any last replies… ixnay on the ichardra. NEWBIES!

OK, my so-called lies that Maureen called me out on. Maureen didn’t run to Dorothy and Jerry, just to that group… which is what I said, she ran to the group where Dorothy and Jerry were threatening and slandering me. I hope Maureen isn’t saying she didn’t join in with them… because we all saw that happen in real-time.

Let me inform you, because you haven’t Dick, you have been sending PM to Rich Keeys  and Patricia.”  Wow, that’s’ a weird sort of lie to make it sound like I lied about something. Let me explain:

I have all sorts of messages and emails I don’t discuss here. I have said this many times. I’m quite up front that I don’t put everyone’s correspondence up on blast. Some say I do, thank you for proving I’m honest about that. Still that sentence implies I’m sending people messages and saying I’m not, that’s a lie in a lie. I never said I didn’t write these people. And to be honest I only replied to Patsy’s message:

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As you see, Patsy contacted me and I wrote her back. What was your point Maureen?

I did send Rich Keeys a message. We have never met and he is commenting about me like he knows me. So I just introduced myself:

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I wrote him he didn’t reply. Again, not sure of your point here Maureen. Other than your new boyfriend is an internet bully/real life pussy.

So far I don’t know what lies she is talking about. Let’s continue.

The whole part where she want’s me to prove she knows Susie and then asks why “it’s even relevent?” That was all pretty transparent, right?

Now to the meat of Maureen’s complaint. She thinks I should show my sides of conversations. Well, to bad.

Just kidding. If you really want it I’ll give it to ya:

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There does that help? Both sides there. Shows what I said about the conversation was pretty accurate, no?

It did go on an on a bit, but everything I wrote you has been said here on the blog (if they would just read). Still, we can go a little further to erase any future debates:

Scratch that, I changed my mind. I posted the above before it was finished because Maureen couldn’t shut up about me contacting  Patricia and Rich. Which as you can all see, Patsy contacted me and I answered her. I also did introduce myself to Richie (hee hee, I get to use it now) and he declined to write me back. So we covered all that. Happy now Maureen, I was gonna post more of our conversation because you thought it was so important:

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And as soon as I start posting our whole conversation all of a sudden our conversation wasn’t that important after all:

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Exactly what I’ve been saying all along.  A while ago Mari told me she didn’t trust you or Jen G. Then you showed up asking me about Jen G and Spoof phone calls. I didn’t feel comfortable at the time having that conversation in an open group. Though I have posted about it since then:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2016/12/19/bye-bye-bobo/

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/spoof-phone-calls/

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That right there was what really began our correspondence. We continued the conversation in private where you agreed with me that Dorothy, Hawkshaw, TKAMB, and Jen G were all crazy and have hurt the case. Then Jerry showed up and you ran right for the shit show.

It’s exactly how I have said it is. So what lies is Maureen talking about?

That’s how the back-n-forth works Maureen, after a while you forget how it all started.

That wore me out a little, just a little, lol.

Look, it doesn’t matter, if you want to call me a narcissist and say I stalked ya. Join the other nuts. It’s where ya belong.

I just don’t have the time to keep explaining something you are never gonna get. But it’s all there for those who want to take the time and READ!

 

 

 

Leeches And Lunatics

Maureen has found her way to the blog. I knew she would. She constantly said she wouldn’t ever come here, but I don’t think Maureen’s word means too much. The fact she tried for quite a while to convince everyone she was above the games I wrote about and then ran right to Jerry and Dorothy said all we needed to know about that. Besides I’m telling you, her and the Mocking Bird nut are close.

I don’t think there is much left to say about Maureen. It’s all there to be seen for itself. But I do have to talk about her Facebook messages. Like Dorothy, Maureen continues to send me messages on FB even though I do not reply to them. Also like Dorothy, there is some funny stuff in them:

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Clowns, Alice In Wonderland, a “drama” meme… all good stuff. She wants us to believe the ZW blog doesn’t matter, it’s just full of leeches and lunatics, and that she doesn’t have the time for it. Maybe she’s right about some of that. Maybe the ZW Blog doesn’t matter, I have certainly never said it did. And it does have it’s share of leeches and lunatics, I think it has something to do with the subject matter. But as it turned out, Maureen found time for The ZW blog after all. Over the past few days, she has filled the comments with gems like these:

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Oh Maureen, trying so hard to make it seem like you don’t care… LMFAO!

Love how you threw my “radar” line back at me. I’m on Maureen’s radar. Cute.

I really like that Maureen uses pronouns like “we” and “our”, classic!

Maureen uses the troll logic that people don’t want her here, so she came here. Deep down though she knows I got her here. She fought it hard, even told me I couldn’t do it:

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This is not a LISK blog. I need to count how many times I have written that. Way too many for people still not to get it. I also don’t “out” people, most of the stuff I put up can be seen on the internet somewhere.

I did get you to comment on my narcissistic blog though, Maureen. Wasn’t very hard to do either, your word don’t mean much from what I can see. I said that right?

And now that you found your way here, it’s already time for you to leave. You could read here for ever and still not understand.

This place isn’t for you.

Lindsay Lohan 6

Last week I posted this:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/lets-get-down-to-bussiness/

I know it seems like ages ago. A lot has happened in 1 week. As I said that post had been in the making for quite a while and when I finally sat down to get it finished and posted it had changed a little. Some things were left off. For instance the screen name Lindsay Lohan 6 was mentioned in the original version. For a few reasons I took it off. That obviously was a mistake… so here we go.

It was comments like this that first made me notice LL6:

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I could just tell that they were one of the nuts. Guess what, I was right.

LL6 likes to say my blog is pointless and boring. They said it on Websleuths and they even told me so personally, yesterday:

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What the fuck? That’s kind of ballsy, especially for someone who had just asked me this:

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Um, yes Paul, yes, I am.

Paul aka LindsayLohan6 (nice screen name, all I could think of all the time was how LL6 was 1 off from MM7, no connections I’m sure, but it’s all I could think of every time I saw your screen name), thinks he is helping the case. And maybe he is. Maybe he’s the one who is gonna solve it. To be honest, I took him off the post and actually sent him a message before bringing him into the madness. I know, I know, my mistake, LL6 decided to bring the madness, which ended in a 3-way with Josh Zeman. Pure madness. But let’s start at the beginning.

As I said, LL6 has not been nice in the past when talking about this blog. Plus I had heard, that like the rest of the nuts, he goes running to John Ray with all his “findings” I also figured he was one of the many Websleuthers that went to Josh and Rachel for the show The Killing Season. But before I slumped them in with the others, I decided to write him on Facebook and see what he had to say (remember when I did the same with Candyce? Yea, this worked out just as well):

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That was the reply. No who is zero? Why are you writing me? Just “What do you hear what do you say”. Well I think I rocked poor Paul’s world when I told him what I hear, what I say. I told him I hear and I say he is LL6. LOL. I think this might have shocked him a little. But he played it cool at first… at first.

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Well, isn’t that convenient?

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I bet it does. I bet it does.

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I think I started making LL6 nervous here. I wasn’t trying too. But with how the blog has been lately, I totally understand.

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This was all good, I mean, I knew I was right about this guy, but it’s good to actually see it. And I was seeing it. I told him I thought he was not much better than the rest. I tried to explain that I feel what they all do messes with the case. But like all the rest he said:

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Reddit? Yea, Candyce used to go there, I’ve been there a few times, who wants to make a bet it’s full of nuts like the ones I write about? Candyce and LL6 make up 2 already!

Alright, so LL6 doesn’t think he does anything like these guys. But I was waiting for something. I knew it was coming. Something that would show exactly what I see LL6 having in common with people like MM7 and TKAMB. I didn’t have to wait long:

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Yep, that was it. He helps out John Ray. Who else does this? MM7 did quite a bit. Flukeyou, TKAMB, shit all the nuts do right? They go and tell their stories to John Ray and he twists it into Hackett… am I seeing that wrong? And before we go on, I’m not trying to help Hackett, his name has been gone after on this blog as much as any other (well, almost, I only share an eternal dance with one, huh Dorothy?). You want to sleuth Hackett, have at it, I’m just calling it as I see it. Oh and John Ray calls LL6 “Rainbow”. Smells like another screen name.

Now I need to take a moment to say that a few years ago after reading LL6 post about their POI on Websleuths, I asked who their POI was. They told me it was someone from Websleuths, then told me their screen name and their real name and a few other things about them. I think that need to be known to keep this post in perspective. And once more when i brought this person up, they said they no longer thought they were right, even though they were so sure before. I don’t think you will see any of the irony in this, LL6, but I’m sure there is shit loads of it. So LL6 tells me they have a new LISK POI… get this another person on Websleuths! I swear to God. LL6 now believes he found another Websleuther that he is pretty sure is LISK. Perspective!

I tried to explain why I saw it this way, but all he kept saying was talk to John Ray, talk to Josh, talk to Rachel… I swear, he kept repeating it:

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They never understand me. They do all they can to prove me wrong and all they do is prove me right. Through out the conversation LL6 wanted me to explain how I figured out who he was. I tried to explain it don’t matter. People pass around information, go back and read the perspective part if you still don’t see irony. That is irony right? Am I saying it wrong again? Regardless, please keep this post in perspective. I told him, you all share bits of info online and then connect offline and share stuff, you all go to John Ray and try to one up your fellow Websleuthers, you each think you are helping the case while all the others are wackos. Stuff gets passed around. It’s the good, the bad, and the ugly of the internet. But he had to know who:

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Now there ya go Lindsay, you’ll be a real sleuth yet! Now was it one of these people, or did they tell someone and it made its way out there? Wait, we can’t just gloss over Scalise Sr. being there… and some woman. Yep, as TKAMB would say, “The plot thickens”.

So maybe one of them got it from the phone call and passed it on. I tried to tell LL6 that when you put yourself out there questioning others, you end up getting questioned. He didn’t like this. But it’s true. If you get involved in any back-n-forth on the internet, no matter what your intentions are, it will come back at ya, that’s why it’s called back-n-forth.

LL6 of course let me know I was just as bad as all of them:

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How, ’bout now? Are ya sure now? Look i know I’m no better than any of you, blah, blah, blah, I heard it a million times. Except I’m not sleuthing the case (I’ve said that a few times, right?). Another thing I ain’t doing is running to John Ray or anyone else claiming I have information on who LISK might be.

There were some other interesting parts to the conversation:

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TKAMB reaching out to LL6 through Kolker?!? Take it as you want I guess. I’m sure you all know how I see it (oh and TKAMB, I thought you frowned on “running to the press”).  Anything else Lindsay?

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Yea, we will get to MCME soon enough. As the conversation wound down he said this about the blog:

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Like my response? I really didn’t care, he’s said it before, but I was done with the conversation and I wanted him to sweat a little (fucking dick).

And he did seem to go into a bi-polar break down:

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I didn’t reply because I wasn’t at the computer any more. When I came back and saw it all I was like wow… and then I saw this:

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WTF?!? Really? I mean, really? So right off the bat… LL6 called me Blink 182 Boy. LOL, good one. But to bring Josh in like that, wow. I was stunned. To spring it on me, to spring it on him. Stunned. And to top it off I was getting lectured in a group chat I had no idea I was a part of. I don’t mind though. I know how it all looks… my point. right? I say they are like Dorothy, they say I am like Dorothy… I can see where Josh is coming from, and he was (like me) forced into a group chat. But I never said anyone was LISK, no please no one think that. Again, I’m not sleauthing the case, the people I mention are people I feel have nothing to do with the case and should probably STFU! We are clear there, right? And one other thing, I didn’t ho running to Josh.

So last night after seeing all this I sat down in a feverish pitch to get this all out there. Fuck it, call me “Blink 182 Boy”, Lol. I woke up this morning to look it over and decide how to end it… something like… “Hey LL6, how boring is the blog now?”. I know very predictable. Well I woke up to this message:

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I thought, maybe I’m being to quick on this. Is LL6 really as bas as the others? Shit, am I as bad as the others? Are LL6 and I as bad as each other? Maybe I should just delete this post. And then:

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“King Retard”?!? Ah come on… that’s messed up. And, forgive me if I go to deep here, that statement implies you are a retard… no?

Ah hell, what am supposed to do? What the fuck am I supposed to do? Well, you are reading this, so you know I posted it… and I thought I’d let LL6 have the final word:

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Chris Lovejoy Part 2

I bet you aren’t to happy with me right now Suzie Q. I can’t say that I blame ya. But you might be happy to know that this is the last post on you for a while. Yea, someone out there doesn’t realize when I’m trying to be nice.

Anyways, since this is the last post on ya TKAMB, I do have to make sure I make it very clear. You see, when I first started exposing Dorothy Price Hill a lot of people were dumbfounded. People couldn’t believe that she was real, and when they saw who she was, they thought someone must be using her name to troll the internet. Believe me i wish that was true… but Dorothy is real. Everything I have written about her is true. I spoke to both her ex husbands (one by phone) I spoke with people who knew her, worked with her (in real life and in her internet shenanigans) her neighbors..  yes, she is  very real and very scary. And if you look her up, she is all those people you see. She is all over the internet. From interviews about her favorite show “Sex In The City”, to all her “85 Broads” stuff, and all her crazy stories about LISK. It’s all her and she’s all crazy.

I bring this up, because already people are saying, well Susie isn’t a real person right? Yes she is real. Yes she is the Screen name To Kill A Mockingbird as well as countless others, and yes she is still tying to get herself into the LISK case. I believe she is probably trying to use Sherrie Gilbert as a way to stay involved. Yea, that’s a good idea. Go after the last Gilbert. Please, leave her alone. I doubt you will listen TKAMB, it’s like a sickness with all of you, you just can’t stay out of it. Well, let’s finish up here.

Again, Susie used TKAMB as her main screen name… but she also loved (heh heh) Chris Lovejoy. And she uses it a lot. want to know where it comes from? Of course you do:

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Hey, there’s a connection. Seems like Lovejoy is a real name too. One Suzette has used before:

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So there you have it. We could go deeper, for Dorothy I actually showed an ancestry link to Dorothy’s family connections. But that was a drastic situation, Dorothy loves to tell the lie that she was adopted and that her real mom is Mitt Romney’s wife. I shit you not. So I had to show beyond a shadow of a doubt, Dorothy was exactly who she is. I don’t see the need to do all that here. Susie comes from a wealthy family like Dorothy, which I’m guessing allows them both to get away with their antics. Will leave it at that.

It’s all there… if you don’t see it, it’s only because you don’t want to. people who cozy up to Dorothy don’t want to see it, so I know there are some Susie friends who think I’m an asshole. To which we all know, I’m a dick, not an asshole. But Susie brought this all on herself. They all did. You heard it for yourself, right? Here it is again:

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Please don’t try to tell me that ain’t you Suzette. Face it the games up, for all of you. You can’t put this genie back in the bottle. I know that audio file has really got people talking. And I know Susie would like it taken down. She said so with her favorite screen name:

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Nope it ain’t coming down. And I wouldn’t worry about it too much, it’s nothing compared to how you, Susie Mockingbird detailed the audio file. Right? Yep, I know it may seem hard to believe but not only did Susie spoof call Pete Hawkshaw using Dr. Hackett’s phone number, not only did she make a recording of her telling Pete about the spoofed call,  not only did she share this recording with others online, but Susie detailed the whole thing in an online message (Don’t you love how I get these things?). And to me, it is this message Susie sent under her favorite screen name that I feel is really the most damaging, which is why it was saved for last… (see not an asshole,  dick all the way):

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Should I stop to point out that both Hawkshaw and TKAMB are in contact with Cris Loeb?!? Yea read those parts real carefully. How many of these so-called Websleuthers are there interfering with the case? So does anyone think it’s a good thing for Chris Loeb to be involved in back-n-forth games with TKAMB and Hawshaw? Man I can’t do this for much longer, please tell me everyone is finally seeing just how fucked up all this is. How these nuts from Websleuths think they are so god damn importantly that they not only have to shove their shit at reporters and LE and the families of the victims, but they have to bring down their fellow Websleuthers while they are at it. I sure hope you see how Susie mocks you Hawkshaw. Yep, she lives up to her Mocking Bird alias.  A little more to go:

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LMAO, TKAMB calls Josh and Rachel the “Dance Macabre people”. She talks shit about anyone who goes to the press  and yet, Susie has talked to them all too. Didn’t you Susie? Tell me you don’t talk to Kolker. Yea, don’t bother lying, I know the truth.

What more can Chris Lovejoy have to say?  Let’s see:

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WTF? Is this what you guys think is sleuthing? How is hanging out with so-called “witches” gonna help the LISK case? And as long as we are going there, how does any of you parasites discussing whether Mari was into black magic or not have anything to do with the LISK case? Nope that’s more the game talk there. And fuck you all for doing it.

Alright, leave us with something good Lovejoy:

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There that’s what I needed.” LL6 is Scalise”…  I thought you guys were supposed to be sleuths?

Yes, this will take us into the next post quite well.

See ya all tomorrow!

Susie Say So

Do any of you ‘member the screen name that started putting MM7’s mug shot everywhere?  Yea, we ‘member. LOL.

So Susie says a lot of stuff under screen names, but she also has a lot to say under her “Sue Name”. Shall we take a look at some of them? Yes we should:

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If I am seeing this wrong, please someone correct me. But Susie Mockingbird is a big part of the problem. In fact I put her in the top 3 next to Dorothy Price Hill and Joey “Flukeyou”  Junior. And Jen, Cristin, and Candyce, you round out the bottom 3. All 6 of them getting right up into the case. Truthspider and Hawkshaw are dangling from the scrap metal of this ship, with John Ray at the captain’s seat. Some may argue that Mari had a hand in letting some of these nuts get so close to the case, maybe… but John Ray has always been driving… still is.

 

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As Susie starts to panic and removes posts and comments, deleting Facebook accounts (you will have to delete them Susie, blocking me is not enough) I can’t help but think I warned her that this day would come… oh yea I did:

https://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/who-is-dorothy-price-hill/

You see, way back in March of 2014, I wrote this:

I have been informed that some people who really are involved with this case don’t even know if Dorothy is real. They know just how many fake accounts were made out there by the likes of people like Joey Junior and Susie S. And I will get to Susie eventually, so if you are out there reading Susie, send me an IM or something, would love to know if you are still a part of these evil shenanigans or secretly really someone else.

It’s really not my fault so many of you don’t take what I am doing here seriously.  TKAMB could have stopped this all, but in the few years since I wrote that, TKAMB got more involved with sock puppets and online harassment. We’ve all seen the kinds of stuff she has written under the names Oak Beach, Alice Cooper, and Chris Lovejoy. Oh yea, not everyone has, huh. Not all of you are on Websleuths, not all of you are on the same LISK related FB sites where she comes up… let me go find a few comments real quick:

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“Whoever Zero is” LMFAO!

There’s more, lots more. But that will do for now. Susie aka TKAMB and so many other screen names is just like the rest of them in this sick group. And if you are gonna start covering your racks you are gonna have to go deep. As I said, I have known about you for a while:

https://www.facebook.com/susie.t.sam?pnref=friends.search

Is that a mocking-bird?

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I think it is.

Yes, you will have to go deep to cover your tracks.

MM7 and Susie

I know this place can be confusing. You should see what it’s like in my head, everything racing around in circles, constantly. So it can be hard to keep things straight when I start typing. Luckily for all of you I love to do recap posts or what we have come to call explanation pots. This is gonna be one of those.

So I’ve blogged about lots of things, but one ongoing thread was to show the connection of some people I used to say from LISK.com, but as we have evolved here we know the truth, it’s a group of Websleuthers. So I have shown how these people got together and well we all can see the outcome.

Once again I need to point out that a lot of ladies reached out to Mari and were part of her Facebook group. It’s important to note that, MM7, Dorothy, Jen, Candyce, and Susie were part of that. At least at one time. I think it should also be noted that they all were kicked to the curb at some point. This happened because they did all work together at some point and then run back to Mari and rat out the other. They each had to be the one who was helping Mari and the best way to show that was to expose who the others were up to no good. The main story was always someone was writing a book. This was an issue quite a bit once books started be written.  There was also the screen name thing.  And bad talk behind Mari’s back. They liked to snitch on each other. Still do or I couldn’t be writing all this. I call this group of ladies The Exiles… though some of them did get back into Mari’s good graces. It’s important to know this went on, it was part of it. So it all started with…

Truthspider. Well that’s where I’m starting it at least. For what ever reason, Truthspider and Fluke got together on the whole LISK=Hackett campaign. I have heard they know each other through lifeguard stuff maybe. But even if they just met up on Websleuths for the first time it dosen.t matter, because once those 2 started there, a lot set into motion to connect the very wrong people. Now Fluke also had his stuff going at LISK.com and Truthspider would go there as well, but it was Websleuths that started the real connections, and still does from what I see. So Jen is on Websleuths, MM7 is there on Florida stuff… and MM7 joins the Hackett campaign. So you have Fluke, MM7, and Truthspider working together behind the scenes and taking their fight to Websleuths. They have resistance especially from PS149. Meanwhile MM7 is also helping Fluke over at LISK.com as well. Too Close To Home is doing their best to combat them there (we are keeping war terms for now since we are in a war with Dorothy, that is how she sees this, so that is how it shall be, TKAMB seems to be another casualty from that war, so i don’t think it’s going to well for that side). There were others that spoke out against them and the whole thing blew up there, resulting in several people being removed from Websleuths.

Jen connects to both MM7 and Fluke and they all work together. (What I mean is they all worked together as 3, but also Jen worked with Fluke alone, MM7 worked with Fluke alone, and MM7 and Jen worked alone) Dorothy get’s in there to. She works with MM7 quite a bit. QUITE A BIT! Dorothy works with Jen. MM7 starts her blog and it is a place for all the Websleuths fighting to continue since Websluths frowns on it, harshly.  But that threesome breaks up. Jen and Dorothy go at it. Jen tells Mari MM7 is writing a book. MM7 tells Mari things about Jen. There are other connections, Dorothy and Nancy, and somewhere Candyce finds her way in and out of there, and some I still may not see. When there are so many “players” each one capable of creating multiple accounts it’s hard to keep up. But I think I did a good job. I think I got to the core of most of them.

So this group worked together and against each other and created a lot of false narratives. And as you see it still goes on. Hawkshaw Pete and Mocking Bird Sue are still involved in this kind of thing. But what really want to show with this post is how it all circles back around, that this group all connects together. I want to show you TKAMN/Susie connects right back to this group who started it al… and well that was done before I even started blogging about any of this. It;s right there on MM7’s blog to read anytime:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/falling-out/

Yep, I hate to use their own words, like conspiracy. But they have all conspired together, that’s no joke. And the more I look at each one you see how they worked together and yes against each other. But more importantly in my opinion they interfered. And some still are.

Author’s Note: After posting this I realized maybe a graph of sorts would help show this better. So I made this:

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A simple graph for a complicated group of people.

Chris Lovejoy Part 1

So, as I said, To Kill A Mockingbird uses all sorts of fake screen names or what we have all come to call, sock puppets (yes I’m going back to that word). She has for some time now. Long ago when ever people brought her up to me (and not by TKAMB, because back then I wasn’t on Websleuths, I mean when people brought HER up) they said she made lots of Facebook accounts and inserted herself into the case (Boy do I see that now). Most were puzzled by it and did not know why she did it, but they told me to stay far away from her. And I did. I have mentioned her by name a few times on the blog. But for the most part I stayed away. And I was fine not knowing much about this person until I went to Wensleuths and discovered that this person was TKAMB. Here was another one. Why? Why do they do it. They all say they are helping the families. Yea, Fluke, MM7, Jen, Dorothy, they all claim that’s what they are doing. Well that’s not how I see it. Does any one else? I know some of the families don’t. And now just going over all this person has written in public and in messages under so many different screen names, after years of waiting for them to just stop, I had to do something, say something, before I left this all behind. I mean, yes, I got the truth out there about so many of these “players”. I call them that, because they act like it’s a game. They think it’s about tricking and fooling people. They are trolls, but they inserted themselves into the LISK case to become “players”.  So I couldn’t go without exposing one last “player”. One of the biggest.

Most of us know one of TKAMB’s favorite sock puppets is Chris Lovejoy. And I have quite a collection of things Chris Lovejoy has said/written, and I was gonna share them, but that will have to wait till part 2. Because Chris Lovejoy just wrote me a message:

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Wow. Don’t these people get what I do here, lol. At first I wasn’t gonna reply. But hey, it’s a sock puppet:

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Yea I bet that part where she calls the Gilbert’s liars isn’t helping her with anyone who might have been listening to her. Good. Because she’s poison to the case in my opinion. She is no better than Dorothy… wait, she is  worse… Dorothy is crazy,  what’s TKAMB’s excuse? Poison.

I won’t bore you with the whole correspondence but here’s some highlights:

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Again, don’t they see what I do? LOL!

I think I got TKAMB a little worried about what I might post next. Yea, I tend to do that to people. You are in great company TKAMB. They all say the same thing too…why do you waste (spelled right) your time on Flukeyou and Dorothy? Sounds like Joey, “Why do you care who Flukeyou is?” LMFAO! And the fact that you were probably the one who first put up MM7’s identity (yea, I know that too), some of the others who have been through this already might actually be happy to see it now happening to you. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person, right? Yea, that’s kind of weird. I’m helping MM7 in a way. But I never said I didn’t want to help her, I tried to show her how to get out of the mess she created hooking up with all these people. Oh well, I don’t want to get sidetracked talking about MM7.

Why? TKAMB/Chris never did answer that. Why make up screen names and multiple fake Facebook accounts? Why insert yourself into the case and harass people once you are there? Why try to convince so many people you know inside stuff? Why is that so important to show the internet that you and only you know who LISK is? Do you really think you are helping? Yea, well Chris Lovejoy didn’t answer any of that and left me with this:

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Did I just get a “cease and desist” from a sock puppet? Shit, I think I did. Damn, that’s fucking funny but kind of stupid. It didn’t work for Dorothy or any of the other nuts, what makes you think it would work for a sock puppet. All it did is create this post for me. Yea, that was not the way to go. I think we need to just cut to the chase…

TKAMB, and I know you are reading today, I hope you had a good New Years, because this is gonna sting a little… ah who am I kidding, this is gonna hurt like hell!